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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: KILL THE BUDDHA
vertical line Posted on Nov.20.2012 @ 03:58AM EDT by leoj99
Kill the Buddha. Kill Bodhidharma.
If  you meet them kill them.

So what do you think it means to kill the Buddha when you meet him.

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Reply from justin
Nov.20.2012
07:33AM EDT 
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vertical line Your telling the story, u don't know what you talking about?
Why ask without contributing?
Do u ask a question, seeking answer or a reason to dispute someone's answer ?

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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.20.2012
07:36AM EDT 
vertical line I think it means: SHUT UP!
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Nov.20.2012
07:46AM EDT 
vertical line I think that you should kill them if you meet them, if you can.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.20.2012
07:49AM EDT 
vertical line Just don't feed them after midnight.
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.20.2012
07:50AM EDT 
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If you meet the Buddha on the road, it can't be the real Buddha because he died 2,500 years ago.  Therefore it might be a dangerous impostor who could do a lot of harm so it's best to kill him and do the world a favour.  Only kidding.

 

There’s a book by this title by some guy Kopp. I won’t look up the answer but off the top of my head …  

 

It must mean that we must ‘kill’ or wipe away or banish the idea or concept of the Buddha in our minds because that can’t be the ‘real’ Buddha.  We must strive to realize the Buddha in ourselves and not some false concept of what or who we think the Buddha is.

 

This doesn’t detract from the fact that we should try to recognize the Buddha in others, people we meet ‘on the road.’

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Reply from justin
Nov.20.2012
08:09AM EDT 
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vertical line Any idea of seeing the Buddha will take u away from the truth. The way things are as experienced.

I can say the same thing by the statement 'I want to leave no indication or sign or footprint for anyone to follow or imagine' because If anyone was to learn from me they would not see their own nature. But erroneously try to mimic mine. Although I have no experience to speak of.
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Reply from justin
Nov.20.2012
08:11AM EDT 
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vertical line It is easy to become attached to things, ideas of the Buddha are just another attachment. To be chained to.
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Reply from Avisitor
Nov.20.2012
09:56AM EDT 
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vertical line To kill is abhorrent to most of us
So, to say if you meet the Buddha then kill him .. well, really meant to shock one into realizing the truth
What is the truth??
I think Sam has got it ... ???
Recognize the Buddha nature in others as you see it in yourself .. then lose all distinction of separate you and others ... ???
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Reply from justin
Nov.20.2012
10:10AM EDT 
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vertical line Yes, but u must see Buddha nature in yourself to see it in others.

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Reply from leoj99
Nov.20.2012
11:25AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Your telling the story, u don't know what you talking about?
Why ask without contributing?
Do u ask a question, seeking answer or a reason to dispute someone's answer ?

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Exactly I only have questions. I have no answers. I am just clarifying and seek,ing answers..
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.20.2012
11:31AM EDT 
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If you meet the Buddha on the road, it can't be the real Buddha because he died 2,500 years ago.  Therefore it might be a dangerous impostor who could do a lot of harm so it's best to kill him and do the world a favour.  Only kidding.

 

There’s a book by this title by some guy Kopp. I won’t look up the answer but off the top of my head …  

 

It must mean that we must ‘kill’ or wipe away or banish the idea or concept of the Buddha in our minds because that can’t be the ‘real’ Buddha.  We must strive to realize the Buddha in ourselves and not some false concept of what or who we think the Buddha is.

 

This doesn’t detract from the fact that we should try to recognize the Buddha in others, people we meet ‘on the road.’

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So in short back to the bottomline: Stop thinking - jussssttt it watermelon...lol
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.20.2012
11:32AM EDT 
vertical line As you can see it is so simple. Why make it complicated.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.20.2012
11:44AM EDT 
vertical line You complicated It on to another thread.
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Reply from starduster
Nov.21.2012
05:01AM EDT 
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I saw a buddha on the side of the road.

My first clue was a little whirlwind of sand and dirt as I turned the corner, so I stated looking for one.  He was walking along the other side of the road.  I saw him bristle as he *felt* me *feeling* him, even though his back was to me.  As I drove past, he contorted his body into a familiar defense posture, against spirits. 

I thought, *Ah ha, so its true.*  I knew he was an *awakened one*, who had detected the presence of another.

After I had finished my errands, I passed him again as he was hitch-hiking along the road going out of town.  We looked directly at each other, with recognition, and I knew that the moment was pivotal on my path as a shaman.  But I just drove past, and kept on going, because I had long since left my path as a shaman behind.

I saw a buddha on the side of the road.  I didnt kill him, I just ignored him.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.21.2012
05:55AM EDT 
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.21.2012
09:50AM EDT 
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I saw a buddha on the side of the road.

My first clue was a little whirlwind of sand and dirt as I turned the corner, so I stated looking for one.  He was walking along the other side of the road.  I saw him bristle as he *felt* me *feeling* him, even though his back was to me.  As I drove past, he contorted his body into a familiar defense posture, against spirits. 

I thought, *Ah ha, so its true.*  I knew he was an *awakened one*, who had detected the presence of another.

After I had finished my errands, I passed him again as he was hitch-hiking along the road going out of town.  We looked directly at each other, with recognition, and I knew that the moment was pivotal on my path as a shaman.  But I just drove past, and kept on going, because I had long since left my path as a shaman behind.

I saw a buddha on the side of the road.  I didnt kill him, I just ignored him.

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I suspect  you just saw your ghost...lol

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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.21.2012
09:52AM EDT 
vertical line I suspect you don't know what you're prattling on about ... lol
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.21.2012
09:54AM EDT 
vertical line You're suspect ... LOL
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.21.2012
10:33AM EDT 
vertical line Kill the poor ... lol
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Reply from starduster
Nov.22.2012
03:50AM EDT 
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Before awakening, Transcendental Meditation was my means, but Shamanism had been my end.  I felt I had a special relationship in the world of plants and animals, excluding mankind, that was shared by few.  I thought I had power.

Then with awakening, I came to understand that It, whatever It is or isnt, is in control of everything.  Whether you believe It to be a conscious entity, or an unconscious energy source, or force, the end result is the same.  It is as It is, by Its own means, for Its own purposes. 

A Hindu text that I consulted to see if Nirvana was the same as satori, said that some experience Nirvana as a conscious entity, and some do not, but rather as an unconscious force.  I believe that satori is the same as nirvana, and epiphany, etc.  Just depends on the religion that got you there.

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Nov.22.2012
05:25AM EDT 
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If you are a buddhist, can you work this out?

Unmon said, "The world is vast and wide.
Why do you put on your seven-piece robe at the sound of the bell?"

Mumon's Comment
In studying Zen, you should not be swayed by sounds and forms.
Even though you attain insight when hearing a voice or seeing a form, this is simply the ordinary way of things.
Don't you know that the real Zen student commands sounds, controls forms, is clear-sighted at every event and free on every occasion?
Granted you are free, just tell me: Does the sound come to the ear or does the ear go to the sound?

If both sound and silence die away, at such a juncture how could you talk of Zen?
While listening with you ear, you cannot tell. When hearing with your eye, you are truly intimate.

Mumon's Verse



 
With realization, things make one family;
Without realization, things are separated in a thousand ways.
Without realization, things make one family;
With realization, things are separated in a thousand ways.

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Reply from Riverstone
Nov.22.2012
05:33AM EDT 
vertical line Who or what you thought the Buddha is, kill that notion! Eliminate whatever ground of being so that the truth can be observed.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.22.2012
07:58AM EDT 
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............KILLED WITH BULLETS SHOT FROM A BELL............




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Reply from justin
Nov.22.2012
09:13AM EDT 
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.22.2012
12:40PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "

If you are a buddhist, can you work this out?

Unmon said, "The world is vast and wide.
Why do you put on your seven-piece robe at the sound of the bell?"

Mumon's Comment
In studying Zen, you should not be swayed by sounds and forms.
Even though you attain insight when hearing a voice or seeing a form, this is simply the ordinary way of things.
Don't you know that the real Zen student commands sounds, controls forms, is clear-sighted at every event and free on every occasion?
Granted you are free, just tell me: Does the sound come to the ear or does the ear go to the sound?

If both sound and silence die away, at such a juncture how could you talk of Zen?
While listening with you ear, you cannot tell. When hearing with your eye, you are truly intimate.

Mumon's Verse



 
With realization, things make one family;
Without realization, things are separated in a thousand ways.
Without realization, things make one family;
With realization, things are separated in a thousand ways.

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I think this is too much Sir. How can that be solved here when no one can even solve Mu... just two letter Mu... how can the thinking mind do it.. It is impossible as it is so obvious...lol
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.22.2012
12:41PM EDT 
vertical line Very obvious....
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.22.2012
01:02PM EDT 
vertical line Buddhists killing Buddhists ... lol
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Reply from zbishak
Nov.23.2012
05:21AM EDT 
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all you see is you..

if you see a buddha

you think too much of yourself

kill the thought

youve killed the buddha

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Reply from leoj99
Nov.23.2012
05:27AM EDT 
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all you see is you..

if you see a buddha

you think too much of yourself

kill the thought

youve killed the buddha

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Yeah if you want to kill your karma kill the thought of karma.
If you want to  stop suffering kill the thought of suffering.

You must realize most of the sufferings in this world are just imagined. So if you can stop your thoughts your imagination then everything will be alright..
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.23.2012
05:29AM EDT 
vertical line It is so easy to experiment on this. Do it and the results will show immediately..
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Reply from starduster
Nov.23.2012
05:29AM EDT 
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Quote: "Who or what you thought the Buddha is, kill that notion! Eliminate whatever ground of being so that the truth can be observed. "
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You cant see anything, whilst kissing a gurus feet.

Even a worm gets a better look at the bird that eats it.

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Reply from starduster
Nov.23.2012
05:32AM EDT 
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all you see is you..

if you see a buddha

you think too much of yourself

kill the thought

youve killed the buddha

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I suppose this goes for pratyeka buddhas too, eh uncle zbishak ?

I have have to work on that.  Aside from a technical definition, what is it to be a buddha ?

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Reply from zbishak
Nov.23.2012
05:43AM EDT 
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there are no buddhas

just people who think there are

as a buddha has no attachement to a self

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Nov.23.2012
06:23AM EDT 
vertical line Mumon's Verse



With realization, things make one family;
Without realization, things are separated in a thousand ways.
Without realization, things make one family;
With realization, things are separated in a thousand ways.

Is this a contradiction?

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Reply from zbishak
Nov.23.2012
06:29AM EDT 
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some are with  realization

some are without realization

a whole man would not be caught up with either

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Reply from justin
Nov.23.2012
07:05AM EDT 
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vertical line pick it up,

but there is nothing

then put it down again
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.23.2012
08:25AM EDT 
vertical line Is this a contradiction?
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.23.2012
08:25AM EDT 
vertical line Is this a contra-indication?
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.23.2012
12:12PM EDT 
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there are no buddhas

just people who think there are

as a buddha has no attachement to a self

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Yeah this is why I always say stop thinking.. just eat watermelon..
So where is the Buddha...
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.23.2012
12:13PM EDT 
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With realization, things make one family;
Without realization, things are separated in a thousand ways.
Without realization, things make one family;
With realization, things are separated in a thousand ways.

Is this a contradiction?

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Only if  you are thinking man...
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.23.2012
12:15PM EDT 
vertical line If you are not thinking.. there is no problem of contradiction whatsoever...
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.23.2012
12:16PM EDT 
vertical line The thinking mind never understands Paradox.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.23.2012
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vertical line The thinking mind creates paradox.
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.23.2012
01:20PM EDT 
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Yes that is so true and then the thinking mind cannot understands what it has created.

But the thinking mind created it because the intuitive mind dictated it.
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Reply from zbishak
Nov.23.2012
05:39PM EDT 
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vertical line the thinking mind does create other minds to keep itself company, thus support for itself
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.24.2012
04:25AM EDT 
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Sorry that was mixed up..
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Reply from zbishak
Nov.24.2012
04:55AM EDT 
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never a need for sorrow,

all is a part of the joy

when seriousness is abandoned sincerity fills the void

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Apr.20.2014
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vertical line Monday, Once upon a time ...

Beast denies keeping Beauty in a gilded cage.
Beast says Beauty off her face.

[Nursery Times]
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