Ive never been big on trust.

If you dont trust you dont have to worry about losing trust, or faith, or anything.

The worst anyone can do is confirm your lack of faith in humanity, which is no loss.

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No loss, because I never had any faith in humanity to begin with.

I like people, as individuals, and I have yet to meet an uninteresting person,

but I dont like everyone, and especially not society as a whole.

Quote: "Gangaji says:

"We can trust that there is a knowing that is out of the realm of thoughts or emotions or circumstances."

So is Gangaji saying that the same thing as I am saying: "Stop Thinking ---- just eat watermelong or ice cream if you wish."?...lol
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yes and no

yes, do what you want, do what you wish

no, because the trust that there is a knowing outside of the realm of thoughts etc, this doesn't mean that we stop thinking.  We need to sort of get our mind and thinking sorted so that we can have this deep trust.  Its like if you unclutter your mind of thinking that is not right, therefore if we discipline our thinking, then we find that there is knowing outside of thinking etc.

So if you habitually lie like a slug, stuffing yourself  with watermelon and icecream you will ultimately burden your self.

The idea is not to stop thinking, but to have right thought, and therefore right action...

Right thought would find difficulty to be founded in a person that is regularly consuming watermelon and icecream. 

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there's nothing wrong with any of the food choices, but the concept of "stop thinking and just eat watermelon, icecream and pizza", is missing an active element of dedication.

true realization would only come to those with dedicated hearts and minds.

the dedication is to be moderate, be kind, be generous of spirit, be nurturing to the world and to yourself, and be sensitive to what you are doing in your life so that you can increase your awareness.

so, to stop thinking (generally) and be focusing on satisfying your appetite, is a form of looking after yourself and maybe one of the baby steps along that path - however, it would modify with dedication.

*some icecream drops off her spoon as she is shovelling in a large mouthful

Quote: "I think this is the same as my Thread: A Mind That Can Stop Thinking is Intuitive. "
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Its along those lines.

Quote: "I trust my towel."
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One night at a party at a cabin a friend was building in the woods, we were all sleeping in the loft of the A frame when someone noticed it was on fire.  A small fire, outside on the wall next to the chimney, which had not been adequately insulated.

The owner quickly grabbed a towel to wrap around his waist, and ran to the river and back with a bucket to put it out.  By the time the rest of us were out there to help, he had already put it out.

As we were queing up, to go back up the ladder to the loft and our sleeping bags, the owner was at the bottom of the ladder adjusting his towel just as the girl ahead of him on the ladder lost her balance and began falling backwards, windmilling her arms in midair.

Those of us standing around werent sure what he would do, as he quickly glanced back and forth between her and his loosened towel.  Finally he gave up, dropped the towel and caught her in his arms, then standing there naked holding her in his arms. 

We all applauded, of course !!

true realization would only come to those with dedicated hearts and minds

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There seems to be an element of humility in some satori stories, like Ramana going into meditation with he question, *Who is it that dies*....

Looking back, everyone who has experienced satori or nirvana or ephinany or whatever, says it was right there in front of them all the time, they just didnt see it before....

Those who are still working on it are not learning anything, not gaining anything toward a goal, but rather are preparing themselves to endure something so devastating within themselves that they have hidden it from themselves, for such a long time....

Its a repressed memory that we all share, and it doesnt come back until we are ready to bear it, because while some call it death, and others call it a blessing, we exist as a means to overcome it, either vicariously through our ignorance, or in helping to deal with it in our awareness....

*Right Thought* is a good objective, something to learn.

Knowledge without understanding can be dangerous, even if it is good.

Some monks learn discipline in the temple, but fail to understand.  They may still fall prey to ideology, of any kind that separates one from another.

A good example of this are those monks who have set themselves on fire for a political purpose.  Because they have learned the disciplne of the temple they can do that, and since they have failed to understand they are still willing to.