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vertical line Posted on Nov.22.2012 @ 03:55PM EDT by leoj99
Why there is so much suffering? What is the main reason of the suffering in this world? I guess that is why the Buddhas laugh..
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Reply from Chryseis
Nov.22.2012
06:39PM EDT 
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The part that makes us angry is that we are almost abused.  We have been set in motion to suffer - and it is soooo frustrating to us, it makes us feel hurt, betrayed and abused.

We could not do anything but suffer.  But, we are supported to minimise the negative response to the suffering and to minimise the continuance of the suffering.  Basically we are having our spirits broken, so that we may know our true nature, our truth.  Once at this point, the truth is so absurd and ridiculous that one could not help but have a bemused smile.  If we were to know the truth as most of us are now, then we would be disgusted because with where our thinking is at, for some reason we would feel so ripped off, appalled, and furious.  And this in itself, is kind of titillating, but not in a nasty way.  Behind the buddha smile, is super self control, his mind is expansive and he has insight into the true nature of all things. Initially, he would have experienced hilarity, then he would have experienced compassion for all in existence save himself, and then he would have experienced a feeling that is sortt of like when some one thinks 'how in the world is that going to happen/get done'.

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Reply from Chryseis
Nov.22.2012
06:56PM EDT 
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The main reason there is so much suffering in the world, is because we have nothing, and we want something and we don't know what it is or whether its going to be worth it - we are confused, blind, and vulnerable, but we don't know that we are, and we spend a lot of time trying to look like we know what we are doing, know what we want - but for the most part we are distressed, and we need to step back, take some time out, take the pressure off ourselves. 

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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.22.2012
07:30PM EDT 
vertical line Things were peachy, things are broken, let's get to work.
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Reply from Avisitor
Nov.22.2012
08:36PM EDT 
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vertical line Suffering is part of the perfection in this world ...
other wise what would make you want to find Nirvana ... hahaha
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.22.2012
08:41PM EDT 
vertical line Suffering, the musical.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.22.2012
08:44PM EDT 
vertical line No refunds.
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.22.2012
09:02PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Suffering is part of the perfection in this world ...
other wise what would make you want to find Nirvana ... hahaha
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I think the question is what is the main reason of suffering in this world.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.22.2012
09:08PM EDT 
vertical line Is the answer Avisitor?
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.22.2012
09:10PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Is the answer Avisitor?"
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You mean he is the main reason of suffering?...lol
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.22.2012
09:18PM EDT 
vertical line The question is: is he the answer?
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Reply from jaigon
Nov.22.2012
11:31PM EDT 
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vertical line I think the answer is growing pains.  Just as when a child grows, he/she gets pains... so does humanity.  Eventually the growing will slow down and stop, then we will have very little pain.  Just think how much the world changed in the past 100years compared to the past 5000years.....
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.23.2012
12:25AM EDT 
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Eckhart Tolle - Is there anything we can actually do to end suffering.
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.23.2012
01:28AM EDT 
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Eckhart Tolle - Hyperactive mind and Acquiring things
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.23.2012
03:20AM EDT 
vertical line Isn't it that mental illness is the most of the world's suffering?
And it is a fact that this is due to always thinking.

The cause of all suffering is the thinking mind.

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Reply from leoj99
Nov.23.2012
03:24AM EDT 
vertical line And it seems  everyone are doing everything in their power to contribute to the suffering and confusion by talking and talking and tell everyone what they should do.

If that is not the case so how come we are in suffering and in confusion.
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Reply from starduster
Nov.23.2012
05:40AM EDT 
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Quote: "Isn't it that mental illness is the most of the world's suffering?
And it is a fact that this is due to always thinking.

The cause of all suffering is the thinking mind.

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In Zen it is said, pain is inevitable,

but suffering is optional.

I was always aghast to see monks set themselves on fire for some noble cause.

Hard to imagine a worse way to die.  But actually, once the nerve endings are burned off, the rest would be fairly painless, though quite fatal.

Then the hard part is to imagine what cause would be so noble as to sacrifice your life?

I believe they were grandstanding.  There is no such issue.  These are they who have learned the discipline of the temple, to set aside concerns of their own physical well being, or consciousness of discomfort, through practice, but instead of reaching inward are still stuck with an outward focus.  Put the two together, and poooof, up in smoke.

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Reply from Avisitor
Nov.23.2012
09:28AM EDT 
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vertical line The cause of suffering is the condition we are in
Change our condition and less suffering
But, the idea is that all things change and since we cling to things ...
Clinging to keeping things the same, we suffer the changes
The thinking mind is not to blame ... it is the clinging mind ... hahaha

Not thinking about something doesn't lessen the suffering
Say there is pain, not thinking about it doesn't remove the pain
But, lessen the clinging to have no pain then we don't suffer as much
Sometimes this coincides with not thinking about it ... hahaha

Starduster got it right ... pain is inevitable .. suffering isn't
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.23.2012
09:32AM EDT 
vertical line Shining blue-white and laden with fruit, the tree is straight as a sword.
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.23.2012
11:30AM EDT 
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Quote: "Isn't it that mental illness is the most of the world's suffering?
And it is a fact that this is due to always thinking.

The cause of all suffering is the thinking mind.

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In Zen it is said, pain is inevitable,

but suffering is optional.

I was always aghast to see monks set themselves on fire for some noble cause.

Hard to imagine a worse way to die.  But actually, once the nerve endings are burned off, the rest would be fairly painless, though quite fatal.

Then the hard part is to imagine what cause would be so noble as to sacrifice your life?

I believe they were grandstanding.  There is no such issue.  These are they who have learned the discipline of the temple, to set aside concerns of their own physical well being, or consciousness of discomfort, through practice, but instead of reaching inward are still stuck with an outward focus.  Put the two together, and poooof, up in smoke.

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I think a Zen Master will never do that.
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.23.2012
11:32AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "The cause of suffering is the condition we are in
Change our condition and less suffering
But, the idea is that all things change and since we cling to things ...
Clinging to keeping things the same, we suffer the changes
The thinking mind is not to blame ... it is the clinging mind ... hahaha

Not thinking about something doesn't lessen the suffering
Say there is pain, not thinking about it doesn't remove the pain
But, lessen the clinging to have no pain then we don't suffer as much
Sometimes this coincides with not thinking about it ... hahaha

Starduster got it right ... pain is inevitable .. suffering isn't
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Jesus my Lord... what else is clinging .. how do  you cling if not by your thinking, by your thoughts...lol
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.23.2012
11:36AM EDT 
vertical line Well physical pain is inevitable. You can have pain killers. But the mental pain is the cause of suffering and the most prevalent. Even many healthy and very young people are in suffering..
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.23.2012
11:38AM EDT 
vertical line Most people are suffering without any reason at all. This is what we are talking about. Physical pain are real while most of the sufferings are imagined. The imagined sufferings is what we are talking about.
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Reply from Avisitor
Nov.23.2012
12:52PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "The cause of suffering is the condition we are in
Change our condition and less suffering
But, the idea is that all things change and since we cling to things ...
Clinging to keeping things the same, we suffer the changes
The thinking mind is not to blame ... it is the clinging mind ... hahaha

Not thinking about something doesn't lessen the suffering
Say there is pain, not thinking about it doesn't remove the pain
But, lessen the clinging to have no pain then we don't suffer as much
Sometimes this coincides with not thinking about it ... hahaha

Starduster got it right ... pain is inevitable .. suffering isn't
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Jesus my Lord... what else is clinging .. how do  you cling if not by your thinking, by your thoughts...lol
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You can cling with your emotions. You can cling by your thoughts.
You can cling to your memories. You can cling to your things.
You can cling to your body. You can cling to your spirit.
How is all this clinging done ... all by just thinking it ???? ... hahaha
There is more than meets the eye
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.23.2012
01:01PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "The cause of suffering is the condition we are in
Change our condition and less suffering
But, the idea is that all things change and since we cling to things ...
Clinging to keeping things the same, we suffer the changes
The thinking mind is not to blame ... it is the clinging mind ... hahaha

Not thinking about something doesn't lessen the suffering
Say there is pain, not thinking about it doesn't remove the pain
But, lessen the clinging to have no pain then we don't suffer as much
Sometimes this coincides with not thinking about it ... hahaha

Starduster got it right ... pain is inevitable .. suffering isn't
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Jesus my Lord... what else is clinging .. how do  you cling if not by your thinking, by your thoughts...lol
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You can cling with your emotions. You can cling by your thoughts.
You can cling to your memories. You can cling to your things.
You can cling to your body. You can cling to your spirit.
How is all this clinging done ... all by just thinking it ???? ... hahaha
There is more than meets the eye
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But remember the thoughts are the most potent of them all... hahaha..
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.23.2012
01:02PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "The cause of suffering is the condition we are in
Change our condition and less suffering
But, the idea is that all things change and since we cling to things ...
Clinging to keeping things the same, we suffer the changes
The thinking mind is not to blame ... it is the clinging mind ... hahaha

Not thinking about something doesn't lessen the suffering
Say there is pain, not thinking about it doesn't remove the pain
But, lessen the clinging to have no pain then we don't suffer as much
Sometimes this coincides with not thinking about it ... hahaha

Starduster got it right ... pain is inevitable .. suffering isn't
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Jesus my Lord... what else is clinging .. how do  you cling if not by your thinking, by your thoughts...lol
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You can cling with your emotions. You can cling by your thoughts.
You can cling to your memories. You can cling to your things.
You can cling to your body. You can cling to your spirit.
How is all this clinging done ... all by just thinking it ???? ... hahaha
There is more than meets the eye
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But remember the thoughts are the most potent of them all... hahaha..
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They occupy the entire universe including heaven and earth...hahaha..
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.23.2012
01:14PM EDT 
vertical line Show me where you want it and I'll put it where I can.
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Reply from Avisitor
Nov.23.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "The cause of suffering is the condition we are in
Change our condition and less suffering
But, the idea is that all things change and since we cling to things ...
Clinging to keeping things the same, we suffer the changes
The thinking mind is not to blame ... it is the clinging mind ... hahaha

Not thinking about something doesn't lessen the suffering
Say there is pain, not thinking about it doesn't remove the pain
But, lessen the clinging to have no pain then we don't suffer as much
Sometimes this coincides with not thinking about it ... hahaha

Starduster got it right ... pain is inevitable .. suffering isn't
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Jesus my Lord... what else is clinging .. how do  you cling if not by your thinking, by your thoughts...lol
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You can cling with your emotions. You can cling by your thoughts.
You can cling to your memories. You can cling to your things.
You can cling to your body. You can cling to your spirit.
How is all this clinging done ... all by just thinking it ???? ... hahaha
There is more than meets the eye
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But remember the thoughts are the most potent of them all... hahaha..
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They occupy the entire universe including heaven and earth...hahaha..
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They occupy your universe .... lol
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Reply from so_teh
Nov.24.2012
12:24AM EDT 
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Nov.24.2012
03:07AM EDT 
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Could the 'struggle to survive' that all things go through, from the time of its creation until the time of its death be called, 'suffering'?

Is suffering then no-thing more than the nature of impermanence?

Is reality itself not permanent because it stands alone without contrast?

Is reality itself then not the permanent impermanant?

Is reality itself then not a contradiction?

Is the nature of 'reality the permanent', not then 'impermanence'?

Is not then the nature of reality 'struggle' ?

Is not then the nature of realty 'suffering'?

I prefer to know the nature of reality as a constant endeavour to cultivate.

It makes me feel good, and worthwhile.

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Reply from leoj99
Nov.24.2012
12:10PM EDT 
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ALAN WATTS MEANINGLESS LIFE

This how suffering come about..
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.24.2012
12:42PM EDT 
vertical line This is Suffering..

Alan Watts - The Human Game
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Nov.24.2012
05:56PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "This is Suffering..

Alan Watts - The Human Game
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You've got to let it go ... have a bowel movement .. hahaha
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.24.2012
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Alan Watts - The Human Game
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You've got to let it go ... have a bowel movement .. hahaha
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Yeah actually that is a very good practice better than yours.. it is called detox..lol
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.25.2012
08:05AM EDT 
vertical line Try a spagyric preparation - it would definitely work and do wonders for both of you.
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Reply from leoj99
Nov.25.2012
11:48AM EDT 
vertical line I think the source of all suffering is the Ego. Especially if it is a holy Ego. If you are always angry or got angered so easily don't you think you are really suffering?
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.25.2012
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vertical line So just take your medicine.
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Nov.25.2012
12:16PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "So just take your medicine. "
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I think Zen is the medicine for the big Ego.
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