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The form of a woman persists in obsessing the mind of a man.

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vertical line Posted on Nov.29.2012 @ 05:50AM EDT by aqwsxz1
Enlightenment is generally described as a state of bliss, joy, love, compassion, flow, etc etc etc. That's all well and good, but I'd like details. Is it permanent, at least in the sense that it lasts all your life? Does it fluxuate between varying degrees of intensity? How does it feel when you're sitting on the toilet or doing some other mundane thing? Just how blissful is it? No Zen master I've even seen has ever appeared to be ecstaticly happy. If it's a more general feeling of contentment, then why not just say so instead of calling it bliss?

I have become self-realised but nobody told me that there was a difference between self-realisation and Nirvana. I still feel the dull emptiness that dogs human life. I know exactly what I am and still I feel nothing. What am I missing here?

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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.29.2012
06:03AM EDT 
vertical line What's it like to be you? What exactly are you?
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Reply from aqwsxz1
Nov.29.2012
06:27AM EDT 
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vertical line It feels like empty nothing to be "me", the "Self", whatever you want to call it. It's boring, it feels like a waste and I'm tired of it. It's not an enjoyable, peaceful feeling. 

Enlightenment is supposed to cause bliss. I do not feel bliss. That's all I know.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.29.2012
06:37AM EDT 
vertical line From what I've read, enlightenment seems to be a fashion accessory in this forum: the new black.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.29.2012
06:39AM EDT 
vertical line An endarkenment gag.
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Reply from starduster
Nov.29.2012
06:49AM EDT 
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Youre not missing anything. 

Awakening does not change who you are, just your perspective.

I was not a nice guy before awakening.  I was very ambitious.  I was headed for the top, and God help anyone who got in my way.  Ive got a dark side that makes Ghengis Kahn look like a brownie scout.  I saw a picture of him standing next to a pile of heads he had cut off, and only thought, *sloppy work*, as they were not neatly stacked.

Im still not a nice guy.  But Im no longer ambitious.  I am more generous and compassionate because no one is in my way.  I am alive while living, and then I am going home to the Void.

The actual experience of awakening was like dying, and then coming back to life.  The only *bliss, joy, love, compassion, flow, etc* that have come from that is out of the love that I have gained for the Spirit, and that I have felt from her since then.   

Whoever, or whatever, she is, Im not entirely sure.  Others seem to have their own version of the same thing.  Id say more than anything, I have peace from it.  And I know too that she is a creation, like me, of the Universal Mind, the Original Self, essentially how the Self chooses to be with my little self, myself. 

Thats what is different for me.  For anyone else, I dont know.

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Reply from aqwsxz1
Nov.29.2012
06:49AM EDT 
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vertical line I'm sorry Joe Chip but I'm not finding your replies helpful.
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Reply from starduster
Nov.29.2012
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Quote: "I'm sorry Joe Chip but I'm not finding your replies helpful."
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What, you no lika *Chips Quips* ?!

They are an art form in themselves. 

And he is a top notch writer, when he feels like it.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.29.2012
06:54AM EDT 
vertical line Now I know what it feels like.
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Reply from aqwsxz1
Nov.29.2012
07:03AM EDT 
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vertical line One day I thought I was Mr. My Name, then I was told I was the Universe. After meditating upon this for several months I finally "got" it. I was struggling to answer why I thought I was my ego while pretending I was the ego. I was playing the role of a fictional character trying to understand why he didn't feel fictional. The answer of course was that I was the Self all along, hiding in the background. 

Self-realisation. But no bliss. Bliss is an emotion, a feeling. And to feel you need a brain. Something must happen that activates some part of the brain.
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Reply from starduster
Nov.29.2012
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Quote: "Now I know what it feels like."
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Osho was talking about his enlightenment when suddenly the light went out, and then they came back on again.

He said, *Thats it.  Thats what enlightenment is like.  The lights go out, and then they come back on again.*

For me, complete darkness in the Void, nothingness, for about 15 minutes, first as the One, and then as myself there with the One. 

For others, not so.  One fellow told me he walked for about 20 minutes in full daylight without even realizing it before essentially *coming back to himself*.

Its a very unique experience, tailored just for you.  What did you experience ?

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Nov.29.2012
07:12AM EDT 
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vertical line I find I have a distaste for vagueries and mystical talk. There is no reason that enlightenment cannot be discussed clearly and concisely. Enlightment exists, it can be achieved, so say as much. Meditation has very clear, detailed instructions. Why shouldn't enlightenment? I don't want to play games - I'm trying to end them. Maya is not a desirable state to be in and there is absolutely no reason to prolong one's stay there. 

If you are enlightened, if you do genuinely feel bliss or something like it as a continual experiencing, then please. Share it.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.29.2012
07:21AM EDT 
vertical line Good luck.
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Nov.29.2012
07:33AM EDT 
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Reply from aqwsxz1
Nov.29.2012
07:37AM EDT 
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vertical line Emotions are reactions to external phenomena. Something scary happens, you feel fear. So, I suspect that Nirvana is a state of continual reaction. Now of course that begs the question "A reaction to what?" Well, the only thing that actually is constant - and is therefore continually available as something to be reacted to - is the Self. Existance. Life. The Eternal Now. Life itself becomes the cause of bliss.

It's a nice idea, but obviously everybody is continually experiencing life yet almost none of us would report feeling a state of bliss as a result. Quite the opposite, usually. Something has to happen. Enlightenment. Whether enlightenment activates, uncovers or creates bliss ( all very different) I don't know. Is bliss there, but hiding? Or must I personally will it into being?

Gah! Why do no guru's talk about this? For them the buck seems to stop with self-realisation. Well, while it is obviously a vital step, it is ultimately just an understanding and acceptance of a dry, demonstrable fact - that you are the Universe. It doesn't FEEL like anything.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.29.2012
07:41AM EDT 
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Nov.29.2012
07:49AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Feel better?"
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I laughed. For me, that usually means it's right, the way a joke dawns on you as you realise. Yes, I imagine it is a case of simply feeling better. Still there are unanswered questions though. Keep firing away, maybe I'll get it. I don't care where enlightenment comes from - a spiffy saying, a YouTube video, toasted almonds - so long as it happens.
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Reply from justin
Nov.29.2012
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vertical line Quote: "I find I have a distaste for vagueries and mystical talk. There is no reason that enlightenment cannot be discussed clearly and concisely. Enlightment exists, it can be achieved, so say as much. Meditation has very clear, detailed instructions. Why shouldn't enlightenment? I don't want to play games - I'm trying to end them. Maya is not a desirable state to be in and there is absolutely no reason to prolong one's stay there. 

If you are enlightened, if you do genuinely feel bliss or something like it as a continual experiencing, then please. Share it.
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you can only discuss anything with one part of the brain, (the speach centre, and logic centre) If you are western you will find you think with a aristotle-like logic paridyme (i realise this is spelt wrong corect away if you like) and have been trained to. what this means is that you can never catch-up with the tthoughts in totality if they are structured alone the logical manner. it simply is only a part of your brain. this is why the cryptic messages. trying to lead you away from it.

i can personally assure you there is more, but i would not be able to explain it to you unless you hae noticed it already nd if you had you would not be asking. keep going, push and push.

who is it that is self ralised ?

Read the diamond sutra, until you understand it :) and then throw it away
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.29.2012
08:09AM EDT 
vertical line In the beginning was the Word

reaching from edge to edge
reaching from screen to screen

And in the end comes the Apocalypse
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Reply from Zeniscool
Nov.29.2012
08:39AM EDT 
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I'm not enlightened.  Maybe I will get enlightened here, has anyone else ever got enlightened here?

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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.29.2012
08:44AM EDT 
vertical line Have they bollocks ? Woofity-Woof.
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Reply from Avisitor
Nov.29.2012
10:08AM EDT 
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I'm not enlightened.  Maybe I will get enlightened here, has anyone else ever got enlightened here?

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If I ever did then I would never tell ... haha

I believe the Op has actually experienced Kensho and not actually reach full realization.
With Kensho, it is only a glimpse of our true nature. Then, the ego comes roaring back and what a toll it takes!!
At that point it is so helpful to have a teacher who can guide you through the rough patch.
May be you will see that realization is only the first step through the gateless gate.
.... hahaha
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Nov.29.2012
10:33AM EDT 
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I'm not enlightened.  Maybe I will get enlightened here, has anyone else ever got enlightened here?

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Yep, I got enlightened here the very first time I read Joe Chip's post.

So he is very helpful (some of the time).


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Reply from Woodsman
Nov.29.2012
11:03AM EDT 
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vertical line Feel feet in the air, standing on as in, without, a spare. Contact disestablishment.
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Nov.29.2012
11:10AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Feel feet in the air, standing on as in, without, a spare. Contact disestablishment. "
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Sounds like you're a fan of the ol' LSD. Hey, whatever works.
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Reply from Woodsman
Nov.29.2012
11:19AM EDT 
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vertical line 19 ? 20 ? 12 ? 21 ?
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Reply from aqwsxz1
Nov.29.2012
11:21AM EDT 
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vertical line It's just frustrating. I feel I suffer yet I feel I have let go of all attachments. So I conclude that I must have missed a 'step' or got caught up in some nuisance logical snare, including the possibility that the very feeling itself is part of the trap. It sickens me to think that I might have to spend months or years or decades living a pointlessly illusory nothing, simply because I am missing some little detail. It shouldn't have to be this hard. It's my right to be free, damn it. 

And yes, yes, I know that everything I just said is illusory, but that it is also not illusory and half illusory and monkey glass bookshelf. Prrrrrrrrrfffffft.
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Reply from Woodsman
Nov.29.2012
11:28AM EDT 
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vertical line ready willing and... forgetful
drip drop drrrunder
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Reply from aqwsxz1
Nov.29.2012
11:30AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "ready willing and... forgetful
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You know, you should really write a book.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Nov.29.2012
11:35AM EDT 
vertical line The punch line approaches.
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Reply from football
Nov.29.2012
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vertical line A question come to my mind.How this grammar occur?Old people didn't know the grammar.That much people begin to speak same language\grammar.This is very interesting.
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Nov.29.2012
01:33PM EDT 
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vertical line Enlightenment ... then what??? .... hahaha
In truth, if it were deep true enlightenment then you would know which way to go ....
The next step presents itself.
Living a life of illusory is an illusion in itself.
You're in a trap ... break free .... hahaha
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Nov.29.2012
01:36PM EDT 
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vertical line Should we pity the man who reaches enlightenment to see he has only years or decades of living a illusory life??

The world is there ... You are there ... what else do you need??
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Nov.29.2012
04:30PM EDT 
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vertical line A pinch of salt?
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Reply from so_teh
Nov.29.2012
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vertical line If your feelings are real there are infinite ways of Being (enlightened). If you truly are, you'll certainly Be. Is self-inquiry the First priority? The First.
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Nov.29.2012
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vertical line I think most people were at some point in time, one who was grasping for enlightenment like a reward you work towards.  I was there.  I used to read lots of Bhuddist, Vedanta and Yogic scriptures, practice various kundalini meditations, yoga and try some aesetic practices.

I still have not achieved enlightenment, but I have come a long way.  It is all really just a game, and once you've played enough games you will reach the point where you laugh at the whole ordeal and know what it is.  I still have yet to play my fair share of games!
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Reply from so_teh
Nov.29.2012
07:08PM EDT 
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Quote: "Now I know what it feels like."
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Osho was talking about his enlightenment when suddenly the light went out, and then they came back on again.


He said, *Thats it.  Thats what enlightenment is like.  The lights go out, and then they come back on again.*


For me, complete darkness in the Void, nothingness, for about 15 minutes, first as the One, and then as myself there with the One. 


For others, not so.  One fellow told me he walked for about 20 minutes in full daylight without even realizing it before essentially *coming back to himself*.


Its a very unique experience, tailored just for you.  What did you experience ?

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"all forgotten and empty"
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Nov.29.2012
07:14PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "I find I have a distaste for vagueries and mystical talk. There is no reason that enlightenment cannot be discussed clearly and concisely. Enlightment exists, it can be achieved, so say as much. Meditation has very clear, detailed instructions. Why shouldn't enlightenment? I don't want to play games - I'm trying to end them. Maya is not a desirable state to be in and there is absolutely no reason to prolong one's stay there. 

If you are enlightened, if you do genuinely feel bliss or something like it as a continual experiencing, then please. Share it.

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You can say so, and should, at least honestly if asked.

But only another awakened person will understand what you have to say about it.

And they are already awakened, so you cant help them, or they you.

When the first white explorers returned to the East and told people about the Grand Canyon, no one would believe them.  Only those who had been on the expedition and had seen it themselves would believe it.

Now Grand Canyon national park receives over 1 million visitors per year.

Maybe someday everyone will be awakened.

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Nov.29.2012
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Yes, thank you for reminding me ...hahaha
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Reply from boymonk
Nov.29.2012
10:37PM EDT 
vertical line Enlightenment feels really good. Like, really really good!
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Nov.30.2012
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vertical line I think I can stop thinking.. and just eat watermelon... so sweet and very yummy, my tummy is happy.

That is not enlightenment but I am very relaxed. No problem arises. Bingo and bingo again and again. It is like I have won in the casino or even better.
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Nov.30.2012
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vertical line Quote: "I think I can stop thinking.. and just eat watermelon... so sweet and very yummy, my tummy is happy.

That is not enlightenment but I am very relaxed. No problem arises. Bingo and bingo again and again. It is like I have won in the casino or even better.
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two fat ladies, ......bingo!!!

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Nov.30.2012
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vertical line Enlightenment is child's play.
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Nov.30.2012
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Quote: "I think I can stop thinking.. and just eat watermelon... so sweet and very yummy, my tummy is happy.

That is not enlightenment but I am very relaxed. No problem arises. Bingo and bingo again and again. It is like I have won in the casino or even better.
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wtf

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Nov.30.2012
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vertical line haha poets understand poets, (chip, 2012). :) 
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Nov.30.2012
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vertical line 100% fruit ... hah
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Dec.01.2012
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vertical line Allow me to reflect back on my exaltation...

Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

It was not enlightenment.

Thank you and namaste _/\_
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Dec.01.2012
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Dec.01.2012
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Joe got it
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