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vertical line Posted on Dec.04.2012 @ 08:11PM EDT by QuantumZen
Once I had a strange talk with two hippies. They were talking about LSD trips. "I understood string theory, I saw 11 dimensions of reality, I knew the person next to me just like I was him..." They were advertising "Mind opening ways"... I, of course was skeptical.

After that I became curious and listened to several talks about all this from Alan Watts. He is claiming to have had an experience of unity and so on.

What is your opinion on these ways "to get a glimpse of the truth".

As for myself, I am not going for it ;) Mostly because of "Requiem for a dream" effect
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Reply from shayne
Dec.04.2012
09:59PM EDT 
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vertical line dmt is a naturally occuring hormone of the brain....im assuming produced under stress or possiable deep thinking. it is the strongest hallicenigen in the world.


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Reply from QuantumZen
Dec.04.2012
11:07PM EDT 
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vertical line It might be, but thats the question. If spiritual and methaphysical experiences can be induced by artificial means, shal or shan't one take the chance? I am very curious person, thus I can't stop arguing with myself wethear the use of certain compounds (without physical negative effects) is acceptable. Nevertheless, I am to afraid of permament mental trauma to try xD
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Reply from shayne
Dec.04.2012
11:57PM EDT 
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vertical line yeah...sorry...should have seen your questioning better.

ummm....i thought of it many many times.

i might this summer.

though i doubt i will cause like you.....i fear the same thing.




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Reply from leoj99
Dec.05.2012
01:07AM EDT 
vertical line Well if you take mets and it gives a glimpse to awakening then we should so many awakened beings now.

I don't think reality has 11 dimensions. Actually reality has no dimensions as how dimensions are understood.
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Reply from leoj99
Dec.05.2012
01:08AM EDT 
vertical line We should have so many awakened beings now..
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Reply from nibble
Dec.05.2012
07:25AM EDT 
vertical line Dont, semiaware just leaves you with stiff jaws a chemical feeling in back of youre throat and a wonder what the fuss was about, I guess ..(hrm:)
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Reply from Avisitor
Dec.05.2012
10:51AM EDT 
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vertical line Does anyone here believe that all this practice and work on oneself is just to get a "high"??

I don't advocate the use of drugs unless directed by a medical doctor.
But, people will do what they believe is in their best interest.
I can't possibly know what would happen to anyone when on drugs.
LSD is a very power drug and nothing to play around with.
But, If I were given the opportunity to take it then I would ... not ...
Bad drugs or poisons are known to be sold in the name of making a buck
So, it can be a really bad idea.

I have read some or Dr Richard Alpert's journey ... Changed his name to Ram Dass.
He used drugs to experience the possible change in view of life.
His Guru warned him that he can't use it to get what he wants. And it is possible to damage him.
Making it impossible to get what is possible naturally through meditation.
So, there are other risks
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Reply from leoj99
Dec.05.2012
11:16AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Does anyone here believe that all this practice and work on oneself is just to get a "high"??

I don't advocate the use of drugs unless directed by a medical doctor.
But, people will do what they believe is in their best interest.
I can't possibly know what would happen to anyone when on drugs.
LSD is a very power drug and nothing to play around with.
But, If I were given the opportunity to take it then I would ... not ...
Bad drugs or poisons are known to be sold in the name of making a buck
So, it can be a really bad idea.

I have read some or Dr Richard Alpert's journey ... Changed his name to Ram Dass.
He used drugs to experience the possible change in view of life.
His Guru warned him that he can't use it to get what he wants. And it is possible to damage him.
Making it impossible to get what is possible naturally through meditation.
So, there are other risks
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I think I have no choice but to agree with you, Sir.
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Reply from shayne
Dec.05.2012
06:37PM EDT 
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vertical line lsd has benefical effects.

ive read various things.

just do research.

that simple.


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Reply from nibble
Dec.05.2012
07:39PM EDT 
vertical line Yeah, yeah, alcohol abusers that saw God and stopped drinking etc. Probable some use or benefit (with Everything) under clinical trial with some pure lsd formula in very controlled doses bla bla. Let me see you go out and aqure some lsd this summer, "what ll\ it be sir? Red Dragon? Omen Trip? Or these yellow pills that even I have no %ยค# clue what`s in??"
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Reply from nibble
Dec.05.2012
07:44PM EDT 
vertical line (go to some proffesional shaman in the rain forrest and have someone fil you and sell it to National Geograpic to cover expences, then at least you would be awesome:))
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Reply from shayne
Dec.06.2012
11:33AM EDT 
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vertical line yes nibble....im gonna go to some retard on the street i dont know.

duhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

drugs.......equates stigma.

but alcohol dont because its legal?

i probably will for sure try mushrooms this summer.

if im not busy being leader of the free world that is.

hahaha.
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Reply from nibble
Dec.06.2012
11:52AM EDT 
vertical line Hmmm, ok, just as long as you pick em based on youre intuitive spiritual gut feeling without relying on stupid books or other crutches and prioritise your children's enlightment by letting em eat first!

:)
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Reply from shayne
Dec.06.2012
05:08PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Hmmm, ok, just as long as you pick em based on youre intuitive spiritual gut feeling without relying on stupid books or other crutches and prioritise your children's enlightment by letting em eat first!

:)
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yes im gonna do this too.....shesh. anyway......yeah....good idea. let my children sample them first. love it. awesome idea. haha.

at least i wont die.

so

haha.

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Reply from Avisitor
Dec.07.2012
09:56AM EDT 
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vertical line I don't know how old your kids are ...
But, any gestures of feeding your kids anything that is dangerous and possibly deadly is abhorrent.
Please refrain from this kind of kidding.

Whatever you want to do to yourself ... against the advice of other with your best interest at heart ... is up to you to choose.
Don't involve others who may not have a choice. It is not good Karma.
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Reply from nibble
Dec.07.2012
11:23AM EDT 
vertical line Hmmm, the man have a point Shayne, if things go wrong, you could land up with a hefty fine or even time in jail! Better try feeding it to some animals and check that they survive Before moving on with testing the effect of human consumption by using you're ready available children, one can never be too careful. 
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Reply from the alan
Dec.07.2012
11:56AM EDT 
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vertical line This has gone on long enough. Shayne, watch your "humor".

As for everyone else, if you want to discuss mind-altering substances as an approach to zen/Buddhism, please find another forum.
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