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  Posted on Aug.08.2009 @ 10:26PM EDT by chontri

If you want to know the past,
to know what has caused you,
look at yourself in the present,
for that is the past's effect.

If you want to know your future,
... continue...

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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: REINCARNATION AND INHERENT EXISTENCE
vertical line Posted on Dec.14.2012 @ 05:22PM EDT by jakemc13
Ok. Let me make this brief: what part of you reincarnates without inherent existence? If there is no such thing, then what is it about you that becomes another person in a other life? This question has literally kept me up at night. Thanks all.
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Reply from so_teh
Dec.14.2012
05:27PM EDT 
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vertical line Such Is Life: I Exist

Would you have it any other way?

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Reply from Joe Chip
Dec.14.2012
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vertical line If not now, when?
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Reply from Avisitor
Dec.14.2012
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vertical line Ok. Let me make this brief: what part of you reincarnates without inherent existence? If there is no such thing, then what is it about you that becomes another person in a other life? This question has literally kept me up at night. Thanks all.




Your body is made of aggregates and your mind is made of aggregates
these things do not last ...change happens
That thing ... Buddha  nautre that exist in everything and everywhere
that is what goes to a new life.

Mostly, I don't like that answer. So, please keep looking ....
And when you come upon a good answer then please let me know .... haha
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Reply from justin
Dec.15.2012
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vertical line interesting huh :)

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Reply from QuantumZen
Dec.15.2012
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vertical line Isn't the idea of reincarnation just another suppressed way to fear death? "I will reincarnate and live once more, nothing to fear about". Isn't it wrong? I am you, I am the half rotten corpse of a fox in the forest, I am all babies that will ever born, and everyone that died. Everything has the Buddha nature, there is no need for it to "go" from "one" to "other".
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Dec.15.2012
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vertical line Quote: "Isn't the idea of reincarnation just another suppressed way to fear death? "I will reincarnate and live once more, nothing to fear about". Isn't it wrong? I am you, I am the half rotten corpse of a fox in the forest, I am all babies that will ever born, and everyone that died. Everything has the Buddha nature, there is no need for it to "go" from "one" to "other". "
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Water water evrywhere ... but the water on your lips isn't feeding my plants at the exact same time ... is it???
So, Buddha nature is everywhere and no where ... hahaha
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Dec.16.2012
08:05AM EDT 
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What it is ‘about you’ (interesting that you used that phrase instead of ‘in you’), that is carried from one rebirth to the next must be sanskars. mental traits and the mind stream. The mind stream must be reborn otherwise it would not be possible for some people to recall past lives. ‘We’ (who’s ‘we’?) take our karma with us (or our karma takes us along with it), but karma determines our rebirth and influences what happens to us subsequently rather than being an inherent characteristic.

To say that something lacks ‘inherent’ existence is not to say that it doesn’t exist at all, which, correct me if I’m wrong, your question seems to assume.  It merely means that something does not exist from its own side, that is, it is not permanent, unchanging and the same from whatever viewpoint it is looked at. I could go into analogies and further explanation but I won’t.  You should be able to come up with them yourself.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Dec.16.2012
08:27AM EDT 
vertical line The idea of 'you' is continually reborn, constantly becoming, always changing.
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Dec.16.2012
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Exactamento (excuse my Welsh).



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Reply from Sam Hardy
Dec.16.2012
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To go back on what I’ve just said and at the risk of descending into philosophical debate on an anti-or a-rational Zen forum, inherent existence is not a thing but a concept. The concept being that there is a thing which has inherent existence, is permanent and unchanging and indivisible and has exactly the same properties and appearance and essence etc no matter from what point of view it is looked at or even thought about.  In philosophy this thing is sometimes given the name the Thing-in-Itself. Other names for it are the Absolute or God.  Given that we humans, along with all other things, are not the Absolute or God (though some of us may think we are or maybe a part of it), we are said to lack inherent existence.  However: this does not mean – is not the same thing as saying – that we don’t exist at all. 

So there shouldn’t be any problem accepting that there is ‘something’ which is carried from one rebirth to the next any more than there is a problem accepting that it is possible for a person to stand at the top of one hill and see the surrounding landscape from one viewpoint and then half an hour later walk to the top of the next hill and see it from another.

Darn it! I’ve gone into an analogy. I never keep my word.  

 

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Reply from Joe Chip
Dec.16.2012
10:26AM EDT 
vertical line Half a nanosecond, nothing is carried over.
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Reply from leoj99
Dec.16.2012
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vertical line I think this thing "you" cannot be known or understood by the intellect, the thinking mind. You need your pineal gland to secrete the hormone to enable you to intuit on it then and only then you will know. 
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Dec.16.2012
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vertical line You don't know.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Dec.16.2012
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vertical line Leave Your Body Behind You
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Reply from Riverstone
Dec.17.2012
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vertical line Nothingness takes many, any and all forms.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Dec.17.2012
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vertical line No-thingness.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Dec.19.2012
06:57AM EDT 
vertical line The doctrine of reincarnation is a parable.
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