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TOPIC: REINCARNATION AND INHERENT EXISTENCE |
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Posted on Dec.14.2012 @ 05:22PM EDT by jakemc13
Ok. Let me make this brief: what part of you reincarnates without inherent existence? If there is no such thing, then what is it about you that becomes another person in a other life? This question has literally kept me up at night. Thanks all.
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Reply from sit_teh
Dec.14.2012
05:27PM EDT
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Such Is Life: I Exist
Would you have it any other way?
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Reply from Joe Chip
Dec.14.2012
07:05PM EDT
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If not now, when? |
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Reply from Avisitor
Dec.14.2012
07:58PM EDT
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Ok. Let me make this brief: what part of you reincarnates without
inherent existence? If there is no such thing, then what is it about you
that becomes another person in a other life? This question has
literally kept me up at night. Thanks all.
Your body is made of aggregates and your mind is made of aggregates these things do not last ...change happens That thing ... Buddha nautre that exist in everything and everywhere that is what goes to a new life.
Mostly, I don't like that answer. So, please keep looking .... And when you come upon a good answer then please let me know .... haha
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Reply from justin
Dec.15.2012
02:04AM EDT
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interesting huh :)
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Reply from QuantumZen
Dec.15.2012
12:50PM EDT
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Isn't the idea of reincarnation just another suppressed way to fear death? "I will reincarnate and live once more, nothing to fear about". Isn't it wrong? I am you, I am the half rotten corpse of a fox in the forest, I am all babies that will ever born, and everyone that died. Everything has the Buddha nature, there is no need for it to "go" from "one" to "other". |
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Reply from Avisitor
Dec.15.2012
05:05PM EDT
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Quote: "Isn't the idea of reincarnation just another suppressed way to fear death? "I will reincarnate and live once more, nothing to fear about". Isn't it wrong? I am you, I am the half rotten corpse of a fox in the forest, I am all babies that will ever born, and everyone that died. Everything has the Buddha nature, there is no need for it to "go" from "one" to "other". " .........
Water water evrywhere ... but the water on your lips isn't feeding my plants at the exact same time ... is it??? So, Buddha nature is everywhere and no where ... hahaha
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Dec.16.2012
08:05AM EDT
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What it is
‘about you’ (interesting that you used that phrase instead of ‘in you’), that
is carried from one rebirth to the next must be sanskars. mental traits and the mind stream. The mind stream must be reborn otherwise it would not be possible for
some people to recall past lives. ‘We’ (who’s ‘we’?) take our karma with us (or
our karma takes us along with it), but karma determines our rebirth and influences
what happens to us subsequently rather than being an inherent characteristic.
To say that
something lacks ‘inherent’ existence is not to say that it doesn’t exist
at all, which, correct me if I’m wrong, your question seems to assume. It merely means that something does not exist
from its own side, that is, it is not permanent, unchanging and the same
from whatever viewpoint it is looked at. I could go into analogies and further
explanation but I won’t. You should be
able to come up with them yourself.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Dec.16.2012
08:27AM EDT
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The idea of 'you' is continually reborn, constantly becoming, always changing. |
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Dec.16.2012
08:50AM EDT
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Exactamento (excuse my Welsh).
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Dec.16.2012
09:39AM EDT
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To go back on
what I’ve just said and at the risk of descending into philosophical debate on
an anti-or a-rational Zen forum, inherent existence is not a thing but a
concept. The concept being that there is a thing which has inherent
existence, is permanent and unchanging and indivisible and has exactly the same
properties and appearance and essence etc no matter from what point of view it
is looked at or even thought about. In
philosophy this thing is sometimes given the name the Thing-in-Itself. Other
names for it are the Absolute or God. Given
that we humans, along with all other things, are not the Absolute or God (though
some of us may think we are or maybe a part of it), we are said to lack
inherent existence. However: this does not
mean – is not the same thing as saying – that we don’t exist at all.
So there shouldn’t
be any problem accepting that there is ‘something’ which is carried from one
rebirth to the next any more than there is a problem accepting that it is
possible for a person to stand at the top of one hill and see the surrounding
landscape from one viewpoint and then half an hour later walk to the top of the
next hill and see it from another.
Darn it! I’ve
gone into an analogy. I never keep my word.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Dec.16.2012
10:26AM EDT
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Half a nanosecond, nothing is carried over. |
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Reply from leoj99
Dec.16.2012
11:18AM EDT
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I think this thing "you" cannot be known or understood by the intellect, the thinking mind. You need your pineal gland to secrete the hormone to enable you to intuit on it then and only then you will know. |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Dec.16.2012
11:38AM EDT
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You don't know. |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Dec.16.2012
01:21PM EDT
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Leave Your Body Behind You |
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Reply from Riverstone
Dec.17.2012
08:43PM EDT
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Nothingness takes many, any and all forms. |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Dec.17.2012
09:01PM EDT
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No-thingness. |
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Reply from Joe Chip
Dec.19.2012
06:57AM EDT
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The doctrine of reincarnation is a parable. |
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