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  The Zen Master Hoshin lived in China many years. Then he returned to the northeastern part of Japan, where he taught his disciples. When he was getting very old, he told them a story he had heard in China. This is the story: One year on... continue...

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vertical line Posted on Dec.30.2012 @ 04:52AM EDT by QuantumZen
The question should sound "What is zen?". If you were to take a man who has never heard of Buddha, enlightenment, zen etc. Instruct him to sit zazen and leave him be. Would he get enlightened after enough time? I think he wouldn't. Then zen must be composed of more than still mind meditation. Books and paradoxical talks come to mind :) What do you think?

I want enlightenment. I am searching for a way. I am fighting with myself :) 3xI 1xwant... The road is long
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Reply from football
Dec.30.2012
06:35AM EDT 
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vertical line I think a man who is illiterate can get enlightened.
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Reply from oldwinemak
Dec.30.2012
09:04AM EDT 
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vertical line when we want that is suffering...wanting even enlightenment is suffering ...all wanting is suffering as you can see for yourself...so the solution is to stop wanting..stop wanting to be enlightened...instead concentrate on being a kinder gentler person..start as soon as you read this..helping others as much as you can..will take the fixation off you..this will allow a natural life filled with kindness for others..you will forget all this wanting..that is the best cure for desiring....helping others..best regards..owm
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Reply from Woodsman
Dec.30.2012
09:33AM EDT 
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vertical line desire less then zen
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Reply from Riverstone
Dec.30.2012
02:31PM EDT 
vertical line The very act of sitting is an Enlightened action. It seems there is this thought that enlightenment is special. This thought suggest that there is a `not special`experence by which we could contrast and compare. The non-discrminating awareness rejects no experience, nor does it quantify. Zen is an immediate path.

Personally I feel people "know" too much about Zen and this knowing is the problem. The man instructed to sit without prior instruction has more of a chance to settle in.
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Reply from Woodsman
Dec.30.2012
02:40PM EDT 
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vertical line                                                                                                          just got back from a fast ski

                                                                    sweat drops falling to the ground again

                          nothing now, nothing then

          but to rest inside

 of what is now

                         zen
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Reply from Woodsman
Dec.30.2012
03:44PM EDT 
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vertical line                                                                                                       just got back from a quick fast ski

                                                                    sweat drops falling to the ground below me

                          nothing new, nothing then

          but to rest inside

 of what is now

                   old        
                       zen
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Reply from Avisitor
Dec.30.2012
03:46PM EDT 
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vertical line Wanting enlightenment??
Pursuing enlightenment??
The very thought is driving away the very thing you seek ... hahahaha

The very practice of sitting in Zazen is to sit in perfection ..
To sit as the Buddha sat ....
We practice sitting to bring the conditions available ...
We aren't building a muscle to complete a formidable task ...
It doesn't work that way.

Just sit
Be awareness
Awareness is the practice
Concentrated practice
Focus
Emptiness ... it just happens

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Reply from leoj99
Dec.30.2012
05:59PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Wanting enlightenment??
Pursuing enlightenment??
The very thought is driving away the very thing you seek ... hahahaha

The very practice of sitting in Zazen is to sit in perfection ..
To sit as the Buddha sat ....
We practice sitting to bring the conditions available ...
We aren't building a muscle to complete a formidable task ...
It doesn't work that way.

Just sit
Be awareness
Awareness is the practice
Concentrated practice
Focus
Emptiness ... it just happens

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.........

Can you please tell us what will happen...?
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Reply from leoj99
Dec.30.2012
06:02PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "The very act of sitting is an Enlightened action. It seems there is this thought that enlightenment is special. This thought suggest that there is a `not special`experence by which we could contrast and compare. The non-discrminating awareness rejects no experience, nor does it quantify. Zen is an immediate path.

Personally I feel people "know" too much about Zen and this knowing is the problem. The man instructed to sit without prior instruction has more of a chance to settle in.
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Yeah the more you know the more you need to sit harder. A lifetime may not be enough sitting to drop all your knowledge. But if you are able to stop your thoughts that would be a miracle....
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Dec.31.2012
01:46PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Wanting enlightenment??
Pursuing enlightenment??
The very thought is driving away the very thing you seek ... hahahaha

The very practice of sitting in Zazen is to sit in perfection ..
To sit as the Buddha sat ....
We practice sitting to bring the conditions available ...
We aren't building a muscle to complete a formidable task ...
It doesn't work that way.

Just sit
Be awareness
Awareness is the practice
Concentrated practice
Focus
Emptiness ... it just happens

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.........

Can you please tell us what will happen...?
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Emptiness .... hahaha
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Reply from Riverstone
Dec.31.2012
02:14PM EDT 
vertical line f you want to know the past,
to know what has caused you,
look at yourself in the present,
for that is the past's effect.

If you want to know your future,
look at yourself in the present,
for that is the cause of the future.
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Reply from Riverstone
Dec.31.2012
02:15PM EDT 
vertical line Cut and pasted from this website.
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Reply from leoj99
Dec.31.2012
11:17PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Wanting enlightenment??
Pursuing enlightenment??
The very thought is driving away the very thing you seek ... hahahaha

The very practice of sitting in Zazen is to sit in perfection ..
To sit as the Buddha sat ....
We practice sitting to bring the conditions available ...
We aren't building a muscle to complete a formidable task ...
It doesn't work that way.

Just sit
Be awareness
Awareness is the practice
Concentrated practice
Focus
Emptiness ... it just happens

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.........

Can you please tell us what will happen...?
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Emptiness .... hahaha
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So what is Emptiness?
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Jan.01.2013
05:05PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Wanting enlightenment??
Pursuing enlightenment??
The very thought is driving away the very thing you seek ... hahahaha

The very practice of sitting in Zazen is to sit in perfection ..
To sit as the Buddha sat ....
We practice sitting to bring the conditions available ...
We aren't building a muscle to complete a formidable task ...
It doesn't work that way.

Just sit
Be awareness
Awareness is the practice
Concentrated practice
Focus
Emptiness ... it just happens

"
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Can you please tell us what will happen...?
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Emptiness .... hahaha
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So what is Emptiness?
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Equanimity ... peace ... Buddha nature ...
Why do you keep asking questions for which you already have the answers??
Stop ... sit ... you will know .... hahaha
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Reply from so_teh
Jan.01.2013
07:19PM EDT 
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vertical line what comes to mind before no mind
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Jan.02.2013
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