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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: DOES LOVE HURT?
vertical line Posted on Jan.19.2013 @ 04:02PM EDT by leoj99
Does Love Hurt?

Does Love hurt?

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Reply from so_teh
Jan.19.2013
07:01PM EDT 
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vertical line Lost souls are hurting and are seeking innocence. Innocence means not able to be hurt. I have compassion for these people but I know they will return to love. Love is alive. And that's want they want. Kind of funny, really.
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Reply from Avisitor
Jan.19.2013
10:10PM EDT 
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vertical line Leo99, you seem to be seeking your spirituality on youtube.com
Why??
What you are looking for is not outside of you
Some understanding  ... maybe??
But, mostly you end up with more questions.
Is that what you are really looking for??

Be well and be happy .... haha
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Reply from leoj99
Jan.19.2013
10:49PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Leo99, you seem to be seeking your spirituality on youtube.com
Why??
What you are looking for is not outside of you
Some understanding  ... maybe??
But, mostly you end up with more questions.
Is that what you are really looking for??

Be well and be happy .... haha
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So  where are you looking at?
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Reply from Avisitor
Jan.20.2013
08:52AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Leo99, you seem to be seeking your spirituality on youtube.com
Why??
What you are looking for is not outside of you
Some understanding  ... maybe??
But, mostly you end up with more questions.
Is that what you are really looking for??

Be well and be happy .... haha
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So  where are you looking at?
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Do you mean to tell me that you really don't know where to look??
Inside of yourself!! Look to your true nature ... realize the truth .... hahaha
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Reply from leoj99
Jan.20.2013
12:47PM EDT 
vertical line So what did you find out about yourself?
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Reply from so_teh
Jan.20.2013
07:44PM EDT 
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vertical line I am a hologram
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Jan.20.2013
08:57PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "So what did you find out about yourself? "
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Sorry, I am still processing information.
If you want to know then do so for yourself.
No one can tell you how water taste ... you must taste it for yourself.
Where I am ... you may be on another path ... hahaha
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Reply from leoj99
Jan.20.2013
09:47PM EDT 
vertical line Wha da ya mean...?
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Reply from boymonk
Jan.21.2013
12:02AM EDT 
vertical line like a dickens.
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Jan.21.2013
02:06AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "like a dickens.

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like a dickens LOL what a jerk reply.
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Reply from football
Jan.21.2013
06:30AM EDT 
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vertical line For me, we are at the place where the words over.
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Reply from Avisitor
Jan.21.2013
08:49AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Wha da ya mean...? "
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Maybe you should re-evaluate what your priorities are??
Decide if you really want to find the Buddha's truth??
If so, then go find a Zen teacher and sangha ... learn and practice
If not then see what you really want and go after that.

Good luck to you in your endeavors .... hahaha
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Reply from Sam Hardy
Jan.21.2013
12:44PM EDT 
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vertical line Yes. 

The Everley Brothers (or was it the Beverley Sisters?) said it does so it must be true. 
They wouldn't lie.
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Reply from boymonk
Jan.21.2013
08:52PM EDT 
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like a dickens LOL what an observant reply.
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Why thanks to you, good Sir! :)
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Reply from leoj99
Jan.21.2013
10:58PM EDT 
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Maybe you should re-evaluate what your priorities are??
Decide if you really want to find the Buddha's truth??
If so, then go find a Zen teacher and sangha ... learn and practice
If not then see what you really want and go after that.

Good luck to you in your endeavors .... hahaha

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hahaha.. that is what you teacher is always saying.. every time he open his mouth.. go look for a Zen  teacher and sangha..lol
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Reply from Avisitor
Jan.23.2013
02:22AM EDT 
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Maybe you should re-evaluate what your priorities are??
Decide if you really want to find the Buddha's truth??
If so, then go find a Zen teacher and sangha ... learn and practice
If not then see what you really want and go after that.

Good luck to you in your endeavors .... hahaha

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hahaha.. that is what you teacher is always saying.. every time he open his mouth.. go look for a Zen  teacher and sangha..lol
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So, do you believe this to be bad advice??
Or just advice that you wish to ignore??
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Reply from boymonk
Jan.23.2013
01:35PM EDT 
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Maybe you should re-evaluate what your priorities are??
Decide if you really want to find the Buddha's truth??
If so, then go find a Zen teacher and sangha ... learn and practice
If not then see what you really want and go after that.

Good luck to you in your endeavors .... hahaha

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hahaha.. that is what you teacher is always saying.. every time he open his mouth.. go look for a Zen  teacher and sangha..lol
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So, do you believe this to be good advice??
Or just advice that you wish to explore??
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I like explore. Good advice.
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Reply from leoj99
Jan.24.2013
03:09AM EDT 
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Maybe you should re-evaluate what your priorities are??
Decide if you really want to find the Buddha's truth??
If so, then go find a Zen teacher and sangha ... learn and practice
If not then see what you really want and go after that.

Good luck to you in your endeavors .... hahaha

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hahaha.. that is what you teacher is always saying.. every time he open his mouth.. go look for a Zen  teacher and sangha..lol
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So, do you believe this to be good advice??
Or just advice that you wish to explore??
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I like explore. Good advice.
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Not good advice because advising is presuming you are more advanced...lol
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Jan.24.2013
10:41AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Not good advice because advising is presuming you are more advanced...lol
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Advice is meant as an option in choice of actions to be taken in a particular situation.
There is no presumption in being advanced or not.
That is your ego deciding to protect your beliefs.
The suggestions have been made ... now it is up to you to decide ... hahaha

Everyone seems to have turned to be adversarial rather than to be helpful.
So, sour has turned this environment ... seems you have made your choice ... hahaha
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Reply from leoj99
Jan.24.2013
10:52PM EDT 
vertical line Is it adversarial if you attempt to stop all these nonsense...lol
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Reply from Avisitor
Jan.25.2013
12:27PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Is it adversarial if you attempt to stop all these nonsense...lol "
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One can not stop it.
It must subside by itself ... hahaha
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Jan.25.2013
07:52PM EDT 
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Reply from Riverstone
Jan.26.2013
05:09PM EDT 
vertical line I have no problem when you or anyone else speaks non-sense.  You are completely welcome to entrench yourself in a specific viewpoint and to defend it all you wish.  I assert many things as I understand them, yet, as variables change my understanding changes, so that yes, something may have been right at that time, but latter, it no longer is.  What is today’s non-sense is tomorrows wisdom and vice-a-versa. 
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Reply from leoj99
Jan.26.2013
08:55PM EDT 
vertical line Well nonsense is nonsense forever...lol.. and I mind to stop nonsense...
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Reply from Riverstone
Jan.27.2013
12:20AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Well nonsense is nonsense forever...lol.. and I mind to stop nonsense...

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This is called clinging to a ground of being.
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Reply from leoj99
Jan.27.2013
02:59AM EDT 
vertical line How in this universe can a nonsense become wisdom. I think it is a crazy idea...lol
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Reply from Riverstone
Jan.27.2013
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In the same way a koan's lack of logic points to wisdom.
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Reply from leoj99
Jan.27.2013
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In the same way a koan's lack of logic points to wisdom.
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Now you insert something you don't know about...lol
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Reply from esoteric
Jan.27.2013
05:11AM EDT 
vertical line My cup of coffee has nothing to do with any of this.
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Reply from boymonk
Jan.27.2013
07:41PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "I have no problem when you or anyone else speaks non-sense.  You are completely welcome to entrench yourself in a specific viewpoint and to defend it all you wish.  I assert many things as I understand them, yet, as variables change my understanding changes, so that yes, something may have been right at that time, but latter, it no longer is.  What is today’s non-sense is tomorrows wisdom and vice-a-versa.  "
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It that case.... whaohoooo!
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Reply from boymonk
Jan.27.2013
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In the same way a koan's lack of logic points to wisdom.
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But many koans are logical.
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Reply from Riverstone
Jan.27.2013
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In the same way a koan's lack of logic points to wisdom.
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But many koans are logical.
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Did I say all koans are illoical?
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Reply from boymonk
Jan.27.2013
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In the same way a koan's lack of logic points to wisdom.
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But many koans are logical.
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Did I say all koans are illoical?
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So a koans logic points to ignorance? Howz that work?
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Reply from leoj99
Jan.27.2013
11:12PM EDT 
vertical line Koans are just riddles to juggle your thinking mind...lol.. so when your mind cannot think anymore...lol
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Reply from Riverstone
Jan.28.2013
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vertical line Quote: "Koans are just riddles to juggle your thinking mind...lol.. so when your mind cannot think anymore...lol

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Kind of...logic can be its own self sustaining trap...but each persons logic can be different. So a koan for you may not work for me.
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Reply from Riverstone
Jan.28.2013
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In the same way a koan's lack of logic points to wisdom.
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But many koans are logical.
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Did I say all koans are illoical?
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So a koans logic points to ignorance? Howz that work?
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Sort of like stepping on the glasses you have been looking for all day. Honestly, I study Soto Zen and not Rinzai Zen, so do not let me mislead you on Koans. This is an intellectual understanding based on my meditation practice. I am a bit blasphemous in that I am willing to try to frame these things in language which is a poor way to convey what can only be done.
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Jan.28.2013
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language cant be done?
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Jan.28.2013
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language cant be done?
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Jan.28.2013
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vertical line My 1) timing, 2) circle and 3) mind are off...thus I am alone.
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Reply from *CSEe*
Jan.31.2013
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vertical line Yes , because in my understanding of Buddhism , love / compassion is SAME and EQUAL as any other emotions ......a pollutants in emptiness .
In my current understanding of Buddhism , there is no good or bad , no true or false , no right or wrong .............all our emotions is actually "ourselves" ..which causes our existence .
Thks
CSEe
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Reply from boymonk
Jan.31.2013
10:15PM EDT 
vertical line Love hurts like Dicken's (he's a famous author).

Any questions?
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Feb.01.2013
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vertical line What's that smell?
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Feb.01.2013
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vertical line Perfume, breath, something in between?
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Reply from boymonk
Feb.01.2013
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Feb.01.2013
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You were thinking of dickens. Amongst other things.
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Feb.03.2013
04:26PM EDT 
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vertical line I need a love life or at least the ability to love life. I believe I have secured one of the two. Three?
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Feb.03.2013
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What kind of love life do you need?
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Feb.03.2013
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vertical line The whole kind.
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Feb.03.2013
05:24PM EDT 
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*hug*
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Feb.04.2013
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*hug*
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That's not necessary.
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Feb.04.2013
01:17AM EDT 
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vertical line Small talk, I don't know.








*I'm breathing here*











Nothing else here.
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Feb.04.2013
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*hug*
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That's not necessary.
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Limited kind, then.
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Feb.04.2013
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*I'm breathing here*











Nothing else here.
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Small talk. How is your breathing?
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Feb.04.2013
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Feb.04.2013
07:28PM EDT 
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Love life.
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Feb.12.2013
01:57PM EDT 
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vertical line I haven't my Friend. I hath Myself.
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Feb.12.2013
03:40PM EDT 
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Love life.

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I haven't my Friend. I hath Myself.
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Do you mean that you haven't loved life??

Sounds so much like leoj's stop thinking ... hahahaha
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Feb.12.2013
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Feb.12.2013
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Leoj is promoting his "Stop Thinking"
And now you're promoting your "Breating"
Funny is how each person, though saying different things, is right and yet still ... something is missing ... hahahaha
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Feb.12.2013
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Feb.12.2013
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.........................gets my respect

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Feb.12.2013
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Leoj is promoting his "Stop Thinking"
And now you're promoting your "Breating"
Funny is how each person, though saying different things, is right and yet still ... something is missing ... hahahaha
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What are you missing?
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Feb.12.2013
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Leoj is promoting his "Stop Thinking"
And now you're promoting your "Breathing"
Funny is how each person, though saying different things, is right and yet still ... something is missing ... hahahaha
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What are you missing?
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What is the strength from where those words comes from??
Joshua's Mu .... hahahaha
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Feb.13.2013
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Leoj is promoting his "Stop Thinking"
And now you're promoting your "Breathing"
Funny is how each person, though saying different things, is right and yet still ... something is missing ... hahahaha
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What are you missing?
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What is the strength from where those words comes from??
Joshua's Mu .... hahahaha
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Where did you hear that?
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Feb.13.2013
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Leoj is promoting his "Stop Thinking"
And now you're promoting your "Breathing"
Funny is how each person, though saying different things, is right and yet still ... something is missing ... hahahaha
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What are you missing?
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What is the strength from where those words comes from??
Joshua's Mu .... hahahaha
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Where did you hear that?
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Sorry didn't hear it outside of myself.
But, saw in space between the lines ... between the words ... hahaha
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