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  Posted on Aug.08.2009 @ 10:58PM EDT by chontri
What, monks, is the world? The eye and shapes, the ear and sounds,
the nose and smells, the tongue and tastes, the body and tactile objects,
the mind and mental objects - these... continue...

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Sometimes I get froghtened by my curiosity. I don't know wether the choices I make are good or dangerous. Where am I going? What is zen's view of being curious?
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vertical line It is vital for us to obtain qenuine confidence in the nature of mind and reality, grounded in understanding and reason. What we need is a skeptical curiosity and constant inquire, a curious mind, drawn toward all possibilities; and when we cultivae that, the desire to deeply investigate naturally arises. ~ The Dalai Lama, in The Middle Way
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vertical line Sometimes I get froghtened by my curiosity.

What is frightening about an inquisitive nature?

 I don't know wether the choices I make are good or dangerous.

Things are what they are, even with or without our attached notions of good, bad, preferable or not preferable. 

Where am I going?

Determine where you are at before you chose where to go.

What is zen's view of being curious?

Zen does not view anything upon a plane of duality.  Curiosity is one among many things which arise and fall away. 
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vertical line Quote: "Sometimes I get froghtened by my curiosity.

What is frightening about an inquisitive nature?

 I don't know wether the choices I make are good or dangerous.

Things are what they are, even with or without our attached notions of good, bad, preferable or not preferable. 

Where am I going?

Determine where you are at before you chose where to go.

What is zen's view of being curious?

Zen does not view anything upon a plane of duality.  Curiosity is one among many things which arise and fall away. 
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What is the purpose of curiosity and fear? When you see a little child who is curious, do you say that this is something that just rises and falls away? What about a child who is fearful?
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Sometimes I get froghtened by my curiosity.

What is frightening about an inquisitive nature?

 I don't know wether the choices I make are good or dangerous.

Things are what they are, even with or without our attached notions of good, bad, preferable or not preferable. 

Where am I going?

Determine where you are at before you chose where to go.

What is zen's view of being curious?

Zen does not view anything upon a plane of duality.  Curiosity is one among many things which arise and fall away. 
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What is the purpose of curiosity and fear? When you see a little child who is curious, do you say that this is something that just rises and falls away? What about a child who is fearful?
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I doubt those words were written to a child of curiousity and/or fear.
They are written to you who must learn how your mind works and see into its very nature.
Otherwise what is the point of being here???  ....  hahaha
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The child who is fearful is afraid.  That is their state of being in that moment - neither better nor worse than any other. 
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The child who is fearful is afraid.  That is their state of being in that moment - neither better nor worse than any other. 
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Nice to see you .... haha
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The child who is fearful is afraid.  That is their state of being in that moment - neither better nor worse than any other. 
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It is good to see you as well.
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The child who is fearful is afraid.  That is their state of being in that moment - neither better nor worse than any other. 
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So, you're the same to a child who's fearful as you are to a child who's joyful? No difference?
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vertical line Genuine confidence. Grounded in understanding. Skeptical curiosity and constant inquiry. Possibilities. Deeply investigate.

You can't see the difference between that and fear? The Dalai Lama can.

Where does fear arise within curiosity, and why? Is it in the possibilities? If so, what possibilities invoke fear?

When fear of possibilities shuts off curiosity, then all possibilities will disappear. Even the good ones. So, curiosity needs reassurance against the painful possibilities, and encouragement of the joyful possibilities.

If there is no difference, then you will as soon cause fear as you will cause joy. That might not be so good, for you or for others.

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The child who is fearful is afraid.  That is their state of being in that moment - neither better nor worse than any other. 
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So, you're the same to a child who's fearful as you are to a child who's joyful? No difference?
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yes and no.  In that I am currently joyful or fearful, no.  In that I am who and how I am at this moment, yes.

It's not that there are not different states - it's only that that there is no point in chasing one state over another.  All that matters is what is, and what we choose to do with that.

The fearful child is afraid.  She may cry to have another resolve her fears, or she may investigate to resolve her own fears, or nothing or anything else at all.  These choices bring about differing results.  Choosing to investigate the monsters under the bed may yield relief and choosing to investigate the snarl wolf may yield pain. 

The joyful child is joyus.  She may spread that joy, or keep it to herself, or decide it is her due and thereby become addicted, "spoiled" as we would say.  All states may have positive or negative consequences, but the states themselves are neutral, they are simply what is.

I dunno, that's my take on it.  Does it make any sense to anyone else?
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vertical line "So, curiosity needs reassurance against the painful possibilities, and encouragement of the joyful possibilities."
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I don't know.  Maybe?  Sometimes curiosity needs support and sometimes curiosity just needs itself.  Sometimes its best to indulge curiosity and sometimes its best to learn from another's experiences.  Wouldn't it depend on the context of the situation? 
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It's not that there are not different states - it's only that that there is no point in chasing one state over another.  All that matters is what is, and what we choose to do with that.

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Hmmm, could U clarify?

And lets say u had to choose marriage based on two photos (And you had to choose or else the world would blow up or a baby seal killed or something silly):

One is of what a dualistic person would call a flat nosed chubby train wreck etc., while the other was what a dualistic person would call insanely sweet beauty with kind eyes and pretty smile.

Before you choose youre informed that the chubby girl with the pistering evil eyes was the one with least income (living on the street) thus more in dire need of a marriage as the sweet one had higher income level than even you.

Now, who would you choose? The grumpy lady with the desperate need of love and money or?..

Why? And how much time would you need to take this lifechanging choice?

(not an attack (yet:) just curiouse of youre answer:)

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vertical line Out of context ...
Out of mind ....

Oh wait, it is suppose to be ...
Out of sight .. out of mind .... hahaha
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Exchange sexes???
Can you do that??
I didn't know the parts were interchangeable .... hahahaha
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Sorry, don't like jumping jacks.
Too old and and body too frayed ....
maybe a youngster like you cna go jump .... hahaha
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Yes, I snicker and laugh my life away ... hahaha
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It's not that there are not different states - it's only that that there is no point in chasing one state over another.  All that matters is what is, and what we choose to do with that.

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Hmmm, could U clarify?

And lets say u had to choose marriage based on two photos (And you had to choose
or else the world would blow up or a baby seal killed or something silly)
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I'm honestly not trying to cop out but I'm not sure I can answer your question. Given my state right now - my viewpoints my attitudes wants and desires morals every conscious and unconscious motivator I would pick the one more in need. But at the moment I never intend to have children, were that to change I suspect that would change my answer. I don't know, I'm not that person right now.

That is sort of my point; what is is what is not what could be. It makes more sense in my mind to turn the question around a bit. Say we are the less attractive poverty stricken individual. We can reject that state. We can wish for whomever who will have whatever it is that will change our situation. But when the dreams end reality stands.

So we are the homely poor person. We can bemoan that fate and call it bad, but that is a judgement call, another dream really. It's telling ourselves a story about how something is that occludes the reality of what something is. Whatever we or anyone else feels about a situation does not change the situation. What is remains what is.

Now, in my mind this doesn't negate emotion. We can be this unattractive and destitute and this can cause us to feel hunger and to feel misery. And in these situations feeling hunger and misery are okay because hunger and misery are a part of reality in that moment and who we are in the context of that reality. The fearful child is afraid.

And I think this is where choice comes in. I do not believe acceptance means apathy, quite the opposite really. I think it is only when we fully engage with the moment as it is, not as we wish it to be, that we can take any meaningful action. This doesn't necessarily mean that we will pick the "right" choice, the joyous child can opt to spread joy or become addicted to it, only that the choices will be relevant.

What hope there is I see comes from compassion. Compassion for the self and compassion for others. With compassion for the self the poor and uncharasmatic can seek succor. Compassion for others prompts those who have and are skilled to give and to train.

Living in the moment that is and choosing with compassion is, to me, the core of living well. It is the echo of that within Zen that attracts me, that keeps drawing me here. I know these ideas are distant from core Zen, and are, in a few points, antithetical, but I don't know where else my ideas belong.

Take all that to simply mean if you want to challenge my ideas, please do, I find it fun and I learn a lot trying to make them make sense to another not cursed with Nomi mind, but I won't fight over them. I know my ideas are incomplete, and even if they were I see no reason why they should apply to anyone else.
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lol, U are sweet:) (I am not jesus or something, so I would go for whoever I found the most cuddly, thou agree to keeping a  good heart is of utmost importance)
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I don't know.  Maybe?  Sometimes curiosity needs support and sometimes curiosity just needs itself.  Sometimes its best to indulge curiosity and sometimes its best to learn from another's experiences.  Wouldn't it depend on the context of the situation? 
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The context was that someone was frightened of their own curiosity.
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The context was that someone was frightened of their own curiosity.
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That's...a very good point.  Sorry.  Yes, in that context I absolutely agree.
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vertical line To me Buddhism is a PROCESS to learn , discover , experience , know OWNSELF by being awake , by own realiazation leading to acceptance of ownself and emptiness ......so curiosity is just a tiny part in the process ..............
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"Learn, discover, experience, and know oneself by being awake" depend upon curiosity. It's neither tiny nor big. It's just Curiosity.
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Quote: "Quote: "To me Buddhism is a PROCESS to learn , discover , experience , know OWNSELF by being awake , by own realiazation leading to acceptance of ownself and emptiness ......so curiosity is just a tiny part in the process ..............
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"Learn, discover, experience, and know oneself by being awake" depend upon curiosity. It's neither tiny nor big. It's just Curiosity.
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If comparing the whole process .......curiosity is tiny . Perhaps can be the factor but never the cause .........

Thks

CSEe,

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"Learn, discover, experience, and know oneself by being awake" depend upon curiosity. It's neither tiny nor big. It's just Curiosity.
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If comparing the whole process .......curiosity is tiny . Perhaps can be the factor but never the cause .........

Thks

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Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
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"Learn, discover, experience, and know oneself by being awake" depend upon curiosity. It's neither tiny nor big. It's just Curiosity.
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If comparing the whole process .......curiosity is tiny . Perhaps can be the factor but never the cause .........

Thks

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Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
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Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
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To me Sir , nothing is referral to Buddhism , nothing is important than other in Buddhism so "comparing" is never exist in Buddhism .... my meaning of " comparing" in the above is just to explain that if we look at the whole process to aware , to learn , to accept and freedom from ownselves ...curiosity is just a tiny part of it .

Curiosity can be a factor , can also sparked by desire , ego , pride , greed , will , determination , knowledge etc so curiosity does NOT stand alone but is always comingled with other emotions ....so all these so call "emotions" is known as "self" to me .....and by human culture this "self" is "CSEe" .....Buddhism is a PROCESS to free "CSEe" from me- the emptiness .

Thks

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"Learn, discover, experience, and know oneself by being awake" depend upon curiosity. It's neither tiny nor big. It's just Curiosity.
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If comparing the whole process .......curiosity is tiny . Perhaps can be the factor but never the cause .........

Thks

CSEe,

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Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
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Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
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To me Sir , nothing is referral to Buddhism , nothing is important than other in Buddhism so "comparing" is never exist in Buddhism .... my meaning of " comparing" in the above is just to explain that if we look at the whole process to aware , to learn , to accept and freedom from ownselves ...curiosity is just a tiny part of it .

Curiosity can be a factor , can also sparked by desire , ego , pride , greed , will , determination , knowledge etc so curiosity does NOT stand alone but is always comingled with other emotions ....so all these so call "emotions" is known as "self" to me .....and by human culture this "self" is "CSEe" .....Buddhism is a PROCESS to free "CSEe" from me- the emptiness .

Thks

CSEe

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What are you?

"When walking, standing, sitting, lying down, speaking, being silent, moving, being still... At all times, in all places, without interruption - what is this?"

Buddhism is unexcelled curiosity.
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"Learn, discover, experience, and know oneself by being awake" depend upon curiosity. It's neither tiny nor big. It's just Curiosity.
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If comparing the whole process .......curiosity is tiny . Perhaps can be the factor but never the cause .........

Thks

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Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
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Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
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To me Sir , nothing is referral to Buddhism , nothing is important than other in Buddhism so "comparing" is never exist in Buddhism .... my meaning of " comparing" in the above is just to explain that if we look at the whole process to aware , to learn , to accept and freedom from ownselves ...curiosity is just a tiny part of it .

Curiosity can be a factor , can also sparked by desire , ego , pride , greed , will , determination , knowledge etc so curiosity does NOT stand alone but is always comingled with other emotions ....so all these so call "emotions" is known as "self" to me .....and by human culture this "self" is "CSEe" .....Buddhism is a PROCESS to free "CSEe" from me- the emptiness .

Thks

CSEe

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What are you?

"When walking, standing, sitting, lying down, speaking, being silent, moving, being still... At all times, in all places, without interruption - what is this?"

Buddhism is unexcelled curiosity.
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What are you?

"When walking, standing, sitting, lying down, speaking, being silent, moving, being still... At all times, in all places, without interruption - what is this?"

Buddhism is unexcelled curiosity.
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What am I ? To me currently- I am emptiness .............by "myself" is all my desire / emotions , love , compassion , greed , ego that causes my existence - the polluted energy .Buddhism is a PROCESS that will free me , by my own realization from myself .

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"Learn, discover, experience, and know oneself by being awake" depend upon curiosity. It's neither tiny nor big. It's just Curiosity.
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If comparing the whole process .......curiosity is tiny . Perhaps can be the factor but never the cause .........

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Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
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Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
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To me Sir , nothing is referral to Buddhism , nothing is important than other in Buddhism so "comparing" is never exist in Buddhism .... my meaning of " comparing" in the above is just to explain that if we look at the whole process to aware , to learn , to accept and freedom from ownselves ...curiosity is just a tiny part of it .

Curiosity can be a factor , can also sparked by desire , ego , pride , greed , will , determination , knowledge etc so curiosity does NOT stand alone but is always comingled with other emotions ....so all these so call "emotions" is known as "self" to me .....and by human culture this "self" is "CSEe" .....Buddhism is a PROCESS to free "CSEe" from me- the emptiness .

Thks

CSEe

"
.........

What are you?

"When walking, standing, sitting, lying down, speaking, being silent, moving, being still... At all times, in all places, without interruption - what is this?"

Buddhism is unexcelled curiosity.
"
.........

"
.........

What are you?

"When walking, standing, sitting, lying down, speaking, being silent, moving, being still... At all times, in all places, without interruption - what is this?"

Buddhism is unexcelled curiosity.
"
.........

What am I ? To me currently- I am emptiness .............by "myself" is all my desire / emotions , love , compassion , greed , ego that causes my existence - the polluted energy .Buddhism is a PROCESS that will free me , by my own realization from myself .

"
.........

Who is looking and seeing all desire, emotions, and all of that? Who or what is seeing that?
And who is thinking "causes my existence" and "polluted energy"?

Is the one looking the same as the one thinking? Or is the thinking also something being watched by the one looking and seeing?

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Quote: "Quote: "To me Buddhism is a PROCESS to learn , discover , experience , know OWNSELF by being awake , by own realiazation leading to acceptance of ownself and emptiness ......so curiosity is just a tiny part in the process ..............
Thks
CSEe
"
.........

"Learn, discover, experience, and know oneself by being awake" depend upon curiosity. It's neither tiny nor big. It's just Curiosity.
"
.........

If comparing the whole process .......curiosity is tiny . Perhaps can be the factor but never the cause .........

Thks

CSEe,

"
.........

Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
"
.........

"
.........

Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
"
.........

To me Sir , nothing is referral to Buddhism , nothing is important than other in Buddhism so "comparing" is never exist in Buddhism .... my meaning of " comparing" in the above is just to explain that if we look at the whole process to aware , to learn , to accept and freedom from ownselves ...curiosity is just a tiny part of it .

Curiosity can be a factor , can also sparked by desire , ego , pride , greed , will , determination , knowledge etc so curiosity does NOT stand alone but is always comingled with other emotions ....so all these so call "emotions" is known as "self" to me .....and by human culture this "self" is "CSEe" .....Buddhism is a PROCESS to free "CSEe" from me- the emptiness .

Thks

CSEe

"
.........

What are you?

"When walking, standing, sitting, lying down, speaking, being silent, moving, being still... At all times, in all places, without interruption - what is this?"

Buddhism is unexcelled curiosity.
"
.........

"
.........

What are you?

"When walking, standing, sitting, lying down, speaking, being silent, moving, being still... At all times, in all places, without interruption - what is this?"

Buddhism is unexcelled curiosity.
"
.........

What am I ? To me currently- I am emptiness .............by "myself" is all my desire / emotions , love , compassion , greed , ego that causes my existence - the polluted energy .Buddhism is a PROCESS that will free me , by my own realization from myself .

"
.........

Who is looking and seeing all desire, emotions, and all of that? Who or what is seeing that?
And who is thinking "causes my existence" and "polluted energy"?

Is the one looking the same as the one thinking? Or is the thinking also something being watched by the one looking and seeing?

"

"
.........

Who is looking and seeing all desire, emotions, and all of that? Who or what is seeing that?
And who is thinking "causes my existence" and "polluted energy"?

Is the one looking the same as the one thinking? Or is the thinking also something being watched by the one looking and seeing?

"

"MYSELF" .......the awaken self , the same self that full of desire , the same self that crying in funeral , enjoying sex.......the same one that learned Buddhism .

Buddhism is a PROCESS that will bring out the awaken self and acceptance on this self leading to freedom of this self ......be in emptiness . Is always myself that think , that regrets , that cut own hand on own will ...never others ................

Thks

CSEe
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Quote: "Quote: "To me Buddhism is a PROCESS to learn , discover , experience , know OWNSELF by being awake , by own realiazation leading to acceptance of ownself and emptiness ......so curiosity is just a tiny part in the process ..............
Thks
CSEe
"
.........

"Learn, discover, experience, and know oneself by being awake" depend upon curiosity. It's neither tiny nor big. It's just Curiosity.
"
.........

If comparing the whole process .......curiosity is tiny . Perhaps can be the factor but never the cause .........

Thks

CSEe,

"
.........

Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
"
.........

"
.........

Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
"
.........

To me Sir , nothing is referral to Buddhism , nothing is important than other in Buddhism so "comparing" is never exist in Buddhism .... my meaning of " comparing" in the above is just to explain that if we look at the whole process to aware , to learn , to accept and freedom from ownselves ...curiosity is just a tiny part of it .

Curiosity can be a factor , can also sparked by desire , ego , pride , greed , will , determination , knowledge etc so curiosity does NOT stand alone but is always comingled with other emotions ....so all these so call "emotions" is known as "self" to me .....and by human culture this "self" is "CSEe" .....Buddhism is a PROCESS to free "CSEe" from me- the emptiness .

Thks

CSEe

"
.........

What are you?

"When walking, standing, sitting, lying down, speaking, being silent, moving, being still... At all times, in all places, without interruption - what is this?"

Buddhism is unexcelled curiosity.
"
.........

"
.........

What are you?

"When walking, standing, sitting, lying down, speaking, being silent, moving, being still... At all times, in all places, without interruption - what is this?"

Buddhism is unexcelled curiosity.
"
.........

What am I ? To me currently- I am emptiness .............by "myself" is all my desire / emotions , love , compassion , greed , ego that causes my existence - the polluted energy .Buddhism is a PROCESS that will free me , by my own realization from myself .

"
.........

Who is looking and seeing all desire, emotions, and all of that? Who or what is seeing that?
And who is thinking "causes my existence" and "polluted energy"?

Is the one looking the same as the one thinking? Or is the thinking also something being watched by the one looking and seeing?

"

"
.........

Who is looking and seeing all desire, emotions, and all of that? Who or what is seeing that?
And who is thinking "causes my existence" and "polluted energy"?

Is the one looking the same as the one thinking? Or is the thinking also something being watched by the one looking and seeing?

"

"MYSELF" .......the awaken self , the same self that full of desire , the same self that crying in funeral , enjoying sex.......the same one that learned Buddhism .

Buddhism is a PROCESS that will bring out the awaken self and acceptance on this self leading to freedom of this self ......be in emptiness . Is always myself that think , that regrets , that cut own hand on own will ...never others ................

Thks

CSEe
.........

"
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If you want freedom from self, maybe it would be good to pay more attention to others.
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Quote: "Quote: "To me Buddhism is a PROCESS to learn , discover , experience , know OWNSELF by being awake , by own realiazation leading to acceptance of ownself and emptiness ......so curiosity is just a tiny part in the process ..............
Thks
CSEe
"
.........

"Learn, discover, experience, and know oneself by being awake" depend upon curiosity. It's neither tiny nor big. It's just Curiosity.
"
.........

If comparing the whole process .......curiosity is tiny . Perhaps can be the factor but never the cause .........

Thks

CSEe,

"
.........

Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
"
.........

"
.........

Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
"
.........

To me Sir , nothing is referral to Buddhism , nothing is important than other in Buddhism so "comparing" is never exist in Buddhism .... my meaning of " comparing" in the above is just to explain that if we look at the whole process to aware , to learn , to accept and freedom from ownselves ...curiosity is just a tiny part of it .

Curiosity can be a factor , can also sparked by desire , ego , pride , greed , will , determination , knowledge etc so curiosity does NOT stand alone but is always comingled with other emotions ....so all these so call "emotions" is known as "self" to me .....and by human culture this "self" is "CSEe" .....Buddhism is a PROCESS to free "CSEe" from me- the emptiness .

Thks

CSEe

"
.........

What are you?

"When walking, standing, sitting, lying down, speaking, being silent, moving, being still... At all times, in all places, without interruption - what is this?"

Buddhism is unexcelled curiosity.
"
.........

"
.........

What are you?

"When walking, standing, sitting, lying down, speaking, being silent, moving, being still... At all times, in all places, without interruption - what is this?"

Buddhism is unexcelled curiosity.
"
.........

What am I ? To me currently- I am emptiness .............by "myself" is all my desire / emotions , love , compassion , greed , ego that causes my existence - the polluted energy .Buddhism is a PROCESS that will free me , by my own realization from myself .

"
.........

Who is looking and seeing all desire, emotions, and all of that? Who or what is seeing that?
And who is thinking "causes my existence" and "polluted energy"?

Is the one looking the same as the one thinking? Or is the thinking also something being watched by the one looking and seeing?

"

"
.........

Who is looking and seeing all desire, emotions, and all of that? Who or what is seeing that?
And who is thinking "causes my existence" and "polluted energy"?

Is the one looking the same as the one thinking? Or is the thinking also something being watched by the one looking and seeing?

"

"MYSELF" .......the awaken self , the same self that full of desire , the same self that crying in funeral , enjoying sex.......the same one that learned Buddhism .

Buddhism is a PROCESS that will bring out the awaken self and acceptance on this self leading to freedom of this self ......be in emptiness . Is always myself that think , that regrets , that cut own hand on own will ...never others ................

Thks

CSEe
.........

"
.........

If you want freedom from self, maybe it would be good to pay more attention to others.
"
.........

"
.........

If you want freedom from self, maybe it would be good to pay more attention to others.
"
.........

What makes you believe I never pay attention to others ? As I had said before , to me Buddhism is learning to accept 'ownself" and free of it NOT creating more self ........so all actions / re-action / nature by others or ownself is a great source for learning .......that is why I am here my friend , to debate with others for my own learning progress ........I always answer all question put to me ,and always consider all suggestion for me and always give a due consideration ....dear friend , if I follow your path this does not means I against it or disagree with you ...simply thats your path ...and I have option to my path .

To me there is no right path or wrong path , good act or bad act in Buddhism as all action / path is a source of learning ........

In most if not all Buddhism website , too many people want me to follow their path / their beliefs and always declined to debate with me ...........I hope you could understand that I am always ready to change provided it fit in my awareness / my senses but if not I still consider it perhaps in the future.

why cant we debate and be friend for doing that .

Thks

CSEe 

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Thks
CSEe
"
.........

"Learn, discover, experience, and know oneself by being awake" depend upon curiosity. It's neither tiny nor big. It's just Curiosity.
"
.........

If comparing the whole process .......curiosity is tiny . Perhaps can be the factor but never the cause .........

Thks

CSEe,

"
.........

Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
"
.........

"
.........

Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
"
.........

To me Sir , nothing is referral to Buddhism , nothing is important than other in Buddhism so "comparing" is never exist in Buddhism .... my meaning of " comparing" in the above is just to explain that if we look at the whole process to aware , to learn , to accept and freedom from ownselves ...curiosity is just a tiny part of it .

Curiosity can be a factor , can also sparked by desire , ego , pride , greed , will , determination , knowledge etc so curiosity does NOT stand alone but is always comingled with other emotions ....so all these so call "emotions" is known as "self" to me .....and by human culture this "self" is "CSEe" .....Buddhism is a PROCESS to free "CSEe" from me- the emptiness .

Thks

CSEe

"
.........

What are you?

"When walking, standing, sitting, lying down, speaking, being silent, moving, being still... At all times, in all places, without interruption - what is this?"

Buddhism is unexcelled curiosity.
"
.........

"
.........

What are you?

"When walking, standing, sitting, lying down, speaking, being silent, moving, being still... At all times, in all places, without interruption - what is this?"

Buddhism is unexcelled curiosity.
"
.........

What am I ? To me currently- I am emptiness .............by "myself" is all my desire / emotions , love , compassion , greed , ego that causes my existence - the polluted energy .Buddhism is a PROCESS that will free me , by my own realization from myself .

"
.........

Who is looking and seeing all desire, emotions, and all of that? Who or what is seeing that?
And who is thinking "causes my existence" and "polluted energy"?

Is the one looking the same as the one thinking? Or is the thinking also something being watched by the one looking and seeing?

"

"
.........

Who is looking and seeing all desire, emotions, and all of that? Who or what is seeing that?
And who is thinking "causes my existence" and "polluted energy"?

Is the one looking the same as the one thinking? Or is the thinking also something being watched by the one looking and seeing?

"

"MYSELF" .......the awaken self , the same self that full of desire , the same self that crying in funeral , enjoying sex.......the same one that learned Buddhism .

Buddhism is a PROCESS that will bring out the awaken self and acceptance on this self leading to freedom of this self ......be in emptiness . Is always myself that think , that regrets , that cut own hand on own will ...never others ................

Thks

CSEe
.........

"
.........

If you want freedom from self, maybe it would be good to pay more attention to others.
"
.........

"
.........

If you want freedom from self, maybe it would be good to pay more attention to others.
"
.........

What makes you believe I never pay attention to others ? As I had said before , to me Buddhism is learning to accept 'ownself" and free of it NOT creating more self ........so all actions / re-action / nature by others or ownself is a great source for learning .......that is why I am here my friend , to debate with others for my own learning progress ........I always answer all question put to me ,and always consider all suggestion for me and always give a due consideration ....dear friend , if I follow your path this does not means I against it or disagree with you ...simply thats your path ...and I have option to my path .

To me there is no right path or wrong path , good act or bad act in Buddhism as all action / path is a source of learning ........

In most if not all Buddhism website , too many people want me to follow their path / their beliefs and always declined to debate with me ...........I hope you could understand that I am always ready to change provided it fit in my awareness / my senses but if not I still consider it perhaps in the future.

why cant we debate and be friend for doing that .

Thks

CSEe 

"
.........

I didn't say anything about a path, because I'm not concerned with paths. You are you, and I am me. That's enough. No "path" is necessary there.

You're concerned with being free of your "self" which you defined as emotions and stuff, so I suggested paying more attention to "others". That way, your mind is not on "self" but is on "others". Then, when "self" and "others" become more harmonious and suddenly you realize there is no difference, BOOM!! your mind will be free of "self".
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Thks
CSEe
"
.........

"Learn, discover, experience, and know oneself by being awake" depend upon curiosity. It's neither tiny nor big. It's just Curiosity.
"
.........

If comparing the whole process .......curiosity is tiny . Perhaps can be the factor but never the cause .........

Thks

CSEe,

"
.........

Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
"
.........

"
.........

Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
"
.........

To me Sir , nothing is referral to Buddhism , nothing is important than other in Buddhism so "comparing" is never exist in Buddhism .... my meaning of " comparing" in the above is just to explain that if we look at the whole process to aware , to learn , to accept and freedom from ownselves ...curiosity is just a tiny part of it .

Curiosity can be a factor , can also sparked by desire , ego , pride , greed , will , determination , knowledge etc so curiosity does NOT stand alone but is always comingled with other emotions ....so all these so call "emotions" is known as "self" to me .....and by human culture this "self" is "CSEe" .....Buddhism is a PROCESS to free "CSEe" from me- the emptiness .

Thks

CSEe

"
.........

What are you?

"When walking, standing, sitting, lying down, speaking, being silent, moving, being still... At all times, in all places, without interruption - what is this?"

Buddhism is unexcelled curiosity.
"
.........

"
.........

What are you?

"When walking, standing, sitting, lying down, speaking, being silent, moving, being still... At all times, in all places, without interruption - what is this?"

Buddhism is unexcelled curiosity.
"
.........

What am I ? To me currently- I am emptiness .............by "myself" is all my desire / emotions , love , compassion , greed , ego that causes my existence - the polluted energy .Buddhism is a PROCESS that will free me , by my own realization from myself .

"
.........

Who is looking and seeing all desire, emotions, and all of that? Who or what is seeing that?
And who is thinking "causes my existence" and "polluted energy"?

Is the one looking the same as the one thinking? Or is the thinking also something being watched by the one looking and seeing?

"

"
.........

Who is looking and seeing all desire, emotions, and all of that? Who or what is seeing that?
And who is thinking "causes my existence" and "polluted energy"?

Is the one looking the same as the one thinking? Or is the thinking also something being watched by the one looking and seeing?

"

"MYSELF" .......the awaken self , the same self that full of desire , the same self that crying in funeral , enjoying sex.......the same one that learned Buddhism .

Buddhism is a PROCESS that will bring out the awaken self and acceptance on this self leading to freedom of this self ......be in emptiness . Is always myself that think , that regrets , that cut own hand on own will ...never others ................

Thks

CSEe
.........

"
.........

If you want freedom from self, maybe it would be good to pay more attention to others.
"
.........

"
.........

If you want freedom from self, maybe it would be good to pay more attention to others.
"
.........

What makes you believe I never pay attention to others ? As I had said before , to me Buddhism is learning to accept 'ownself" and free of it NOT creating more self ........so all actions / re-action / nature by others or ownself is a great source for learning .......that is why I am here my friend , to debate with others for my own learning progress ........I always answer all question put to me ,and always consider all suggestion for me and always give a due consideration ....dear friend , if I follow your path this does not means I against it or disagree with you ...simply thats your path ...and I have option to my path .

To me there is no right path or wrong path , good act or bad act in Buddhism as all action / path is a source of learning ........

In most if not all Buddhism website , too many people want me to follow their path / their beliefs and always declined to debate with me ...........I hope you could understand that I am always ready to change provided it fit in my awareness / my senses but if not I still consider it perhaps in the future.

why cant we debate and be friend for doing that .

Thks

CSEe 

"
.........

I didn't say anything about a path, because I'm not concerned with paths. You are you, and I am me. That's enough. No "path" is necessary there.

You're concerned with being free of your "self" which you defined as emotions and stuff, so I suggested paying more attention to "others". That way, your mind is not on "self" but is on "others". Then, when "self" and "others" become more harmonious and suddenly you realize there is no difference, BOOM!! your mind will be free of "self".
"

"
.........

I didn't say anything about a path, because I'm not concerned with paths. You are you, and I am me. That's enough. No "path" is necessary there.

You're concerned with being free of your "self" which you defined as emotions and stuff, so I suggested paying more attention to "others". That way, your mind is not on "self" but is on "others". Then, when "self" and "others" become more harmonious and suddenly you realize there is no difference, BOOM!! your mind will be free of "self".
"

Dear sir , pls dont be mis-understand me , I am not trying to be confrontational or against you ......just that in my current opinion Buddhism is all about SAME and EQUAL therefore EVEN BEFORE I " pay intention to others " I should understand that I am SAME and EQUAL to all being whether living or non-living ....and all being even the dust under my shoe is teacher to me SAME and EQUAL as Dalai Lama .....only with that level of acceptance I could free from ego / pride to learn purity from all .......so sir , I realize I am no different to others BEFORE I pay attention to them NOT after .....................

I of current view that as long as there is a "mind" I will never free from self because mind is the reflection of self .....Buddhism to me is experiencing , discovering all emotions , desire in action , re-action or intention .............

Thks

CSEe

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Thks
CSEe
"
.........

"Learn, discover, experience, and know oneself by being awake" depend upon curiosity. It's neither tiny nor big. It's just Curiosity.
"
.........

If comparing the whole process .......curiosity is tiny . Perhaps can be the factor but never the cause .........

Thks

CSEe,

"
.........

Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
"
.........

"
.........

Comparing the whole process is not curiosity, so you can't see Curiosity from your position of Comparing, to tell whether it is big or little, or neither at all.
"
.........

To me Sir , nothing is referral to Buddhism , nothing is important than other in Buddhism so "comparing" is never exist in Buddhism .... my meaning of " comparing" in the above is just to explain that if we look at the whole process to aware , to learn , to accept and freedom from ownselves ...curiosity is just a tiny part of it .

Curiosity can be a factor , can also sparked by desire , ego , pride , greed , will , determination , knowledge etc so curiosity does NOT stand alone but is always comingled with other emotions ....so all these so call "emotions" is known as "self" to me .....and by human culture this "self" is "CSEe" .....Buddhism is a PROCESS to free "CSEe" from me- the emptiness .

Thks

CSEe

"
.........

What are you?

"When walking, standing, sitting, lying down, speaking, being silent, moving, being still... At all times, in all places, without interruption - what is this?"

Buddhism is unexcelled curiosity.
"
.........

"
.........

What are you?

"When walking, standing, sitting, lying down, speaking, being silent, moving, being still... At all times, in all places, without interruption - what is this?"

Buddhism is unexcelled curiosity.
"
.........

What am I ? To me currently- I am emptiness .............by "myself" is all my desire / emotions , love , compassion , greed , ego that causes my existence - the polluted energy .Buddhism is a PROCESS that will free me , by my own realization from myself .

"
.........

Who is looking and seeing all desire, emotions, and all of that? Who or what is seeing that?
And who is thinking "causes my existence" and "polluted energy"?

Is the one looking the same as the one thinking? Or is the thinking also something being watched by the one looking and seeing?

"

"
.........

Who is looking and seeing all desire, emotions, and all of that? Who or what is seeing that?
And who is thinking "causes my existence" and "polluted energy"?

Is the one looking the same as the one thinking? Or is the thinking also something being watched by the one looking and seeing?

"

"MYSELF" .......the awaken self , the same self that full of desire , the same self that crying in funeral , enjoying sex.......the same one that learned Buddhism .

Buddhism is a PROCESS that will bring out the awaken self and acceptance on this self leading to freedom of this self ......be in emptiness . Is always myself that think , that regrets , that cut own hand on own will ...never others ................

Thks

CSEe
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If you want freedom from self, maybe it would be good to pay more attention to others.
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If you want freedom from self, maybe it would be good to pay more attention to others.
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What makes you believe I never pay attention to others ? As I had said before , to me Buddhism is learning to accept 'ownself" and free of it NOT creating more self ........so all actions / re-action / nature by others or ownself is a great source for learning .......that is why I am here my friend , to debate with others for my own learning progress ........I always answer all question put to me ,and always consider all suggestion for me and always give a due consideration ....dear friend , if I follow your path this does not means I against it or disagree with you ...simply thats your path ...and I have option to my path .

To me there is no right path or wrong path , good act or bad act in Buddhism as all action / path is a source of learning ........

In most if not all Buddhism website , too many people want me to follow their path / their beliefs and always declined to debate with me ...........I hope you could understand that I am always ready to change provided it fit in my awareness / my senses but if not I still consider it perhaps in the future.

why cant we debate and be friend for doing that .

Thks

CSEe 

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I didn't say anything about a path, because I'm not concerned with paths. You are you, and I am me. That's enough. No "path" is necessary there.

You're concerned with being free of your "self" which you defined as emotions and stuff, so I suggested paying more attention to "others". That way, your mind is not on "self" but is on "others". Then, when "self" and "others" become more harmonious and suddenly you realize there is no difference, BOOM!! your mind will be free of "self".
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I didn't say anything about a path, because I'm not concerned with paths. You are you, and I am me. That's enough. No "path" is necessary there.

You're concerned with being free of your "self" which you defined as emotions and stuff, so I suggested paying more attention to "others". That way, your mind is not on "self" but is on "others". Then, when "self" and "others" become more harmonious and suddenly you realize there is no difference, BOOM!! your mind will be free of "self".
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Dear sir , pls dont be mis-understand me , I am not trying to be confrontational or against you ......just that in my current opinion Buddhism is all about SAME and EQUAL therefore EVEN BEFORE I " pay intention to others " I should understand that I am SAME and EQUAL to all being whether living or non-living ....and all being even the dust under my shoe is teacher to me SAME and EQUAL as Dalai Lama .....only with that level of acceptance I could free from ego / pride to learn purity from all .......so sir , I realize I am no different to others BEFORE I pay attention to them NOT after .....................

I of current view that as long as there is a "mind" I will never free from self because mind is the reflection of self .....Buddhism to me is experiencing , discovering all emotions , desire in action , re-action or intention .............

Thks

CSEe

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Sorry, I meant no distinction, not "no difference.". Same as SAME, not same as equal. Anyway, I made the suggestion. It is up to you whether or not to practice it. :-)
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But grass and green are not two different things there. You know?
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Hi esoteric , you said " Sorry, I meant no distinction, not "no difference.". Same as SAME, not same as equal. Anyway, I made the suggestion. It is up to you whether or not to practice it. :-)

In my current understanding Equal means nothing is more or less ...for example you are human , I am human thats make us SAME as human ....but if we focus on our knowledge , entertaining our ego , we will accept the differences ...thats will lead to distiction or differences NOT EQUAL . In my current understanding of Buddhism , all being are SAME and EQUAL ........no one or anything more or less than others . Siddharta is SAME and EQUAL as the dust on your table , Dalai Lama is SAMe and EQUAL as Osama ...I am SAME and EQUAL as the rubbish outside your house .

Only with that level of awareness / acceptance , one could see himself and towards freedom of self .

Thks

CSEe

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Quote: "Like looking at the green grass. One person says, "That's grass!" The other person says, "No, that's green!"

But grass and green are not two different things there. You know?
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"The grass or the green " is being never related to both person and is both person learning lesson to discover ........both answer is NEVER right or WRONG . Buddhism is a PROCESS that both person will understand / discover their desire / emotion for " the grass or the green".....................

Is all up to you my friend , is your learning process , To me if we base on knowledge and defended it , we will always be the one we already know and be the one we wish to know ...............Buddhism is beyond knowledge ............

Thks

CSEe

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Quote: "Like looking at the green grass. One person says, "That's grass!" The other person says, "No, that's green!"

But grass and green are not two different things there. You know?
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"The grass or the green " is being never related to both person and is both person learning lesson to discover ........both answer is NEVER right or WRONG . Buddhism is a PROCESS that both person will understand / discover their desire / emotion for " the grass or the green".....................

Is all up to you my friend , is your learning process , To me if we base on knowledge and defended it , we will always be the one we already know and be the one we wish to know ...............Buddhism is beyond knowledge ............

Thks

CSEe

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So why do you want to debate?
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Quote: "Like looking at the green grass. One person says, "That's grass!" The other person says, "No, that's green!"

But grass and green are not two different things there. You know?
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"The grass or the green " is being never related to both person and is both person learning lesson to discover ........both answer is NEVER right or WRONG . Buddhism is a PROCESS that both person will understand / discover their desire / emotion for " the grass or the green".....................

Is all up to you my friend , is your learning process , To me if we base on knowledge and defended it , we will always be the one we already know and be the one we wish to know ...............Buddhism is beyond knowledge ............

Thks

CSEe

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So why do you want to debate?
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So why do you want to debate?
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Because I want to learn..........you see my friend , in all activities in our daily life is part of Buddhism , all is great source to learn discover "OWNSELF" so whether seeing a bird on the tree , looking at a pen on the table , understanding the life of a virus , gossiping on Beyonce love life , knowing Osama action , listening to Dalai Lama talks is all a great source to discover ownself . Basicly all is great source for uncover ownself .................to me I really likes debate , because when we debate I could explore all areas of my awareness , challenging all my ego , my pride , my knowledge , my understanding , my desire / emotions , love , hate , anger etc ...so when we debate I will explore all my senses to explore myself and this will makes me more understand on my desire / emotions .and perhaps even factor that could change me .

So even if I could not agree with you NOW but this will always a part of my lesson perhaps I could agree with you after I progress into greater realization .

When we debate , I never had any emotion to defend my view or influence you but sincerely I just want to understand your emotions .....by understanding your emotions , your acceptance on the knowledge , your understanding on your journey , I will see myself . You will be a mirror for me to experience "myself" , my anger / my pride , my love ...and this will make me progress into greater understanding on myself .

When we debate ...I will always learn from you whether from your question , your understanding or my own explaination to you because debate could pushes me beyond my "normal awareness" into better understanding on ownself .

So sir , if can I really hope to debate with as many people as I could .

Thks

CSEe

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Quote: "Like looking at the green grass. One person says, "That's grass!" The other person says, "No, that's green!"

But grass and green are not two different things there. You know?
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"The grass or the green " is being never related to both person and is both person learning lesson to discover ........both answer is NEVER right or WRONG . Buddhism is a PROCESS that both person will understand / discover their desire / emotion for " the grass or the green".....................

Is all up to you my friend , is your learning process , To me if we base on knowledge and defended it , we will always be the one we already know and be the one we wish to know ...............Buddhism is beyond knowledge ............

Thks

CSEe

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So why do you want to debate?
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So why do you want to debate?
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Because I want to learn..........you see my friend , in all activities in our daily life is part of Buddhism , all is great source to learn discover "OWNSELF" so whether seeing a bird on the tree , looking at a pen on the table , understanding the life of a virus , gossiping on Beyonce love life , knowing Osama action , listening to Dalai Lama talks is all a great source to discover ownself . Basicly all is great source for uncover ownself .................to me I really likes debate , because when we debate I could explore all areas of my awareness , challenging all my ego , my pride , my knowledge , my understanding , my desire / emotions , love , hate , anger etc ...so when we debate I will explore all my senses to explore myself and this will makes me more understand on my desire / emotions .and perhaps even factor that could change me .

So even if I could not agree with you NOW but this will always a part of my lesson perhaps I could agree with you after I progress into greater realization .

When we debate , I never had any emotion to defend my view or influence you but sincerely I just want to understand your emotions .....by understanding your emotions , your acceptance on the knowledge , your understanding on your journey , I will see myself . You will be a mirror for me to experience "myself" , my anger / my pride , my love ...and this will make me progress into greater understanding on myself .

When we debate ...I will always learn from you whether from your question , your understanding or my own explaination to you because debate could pushes me beyond my "normal awareness" into better understanding on ownself .

So sir , if can I really hope to debate with as many people as I could .

Thks

CSEe

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Curiosity. :-)
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