 |
| →→→→ |
 |
TOPIC: ZEB FORUMS |
|
|
|
Posted on Feb.16.2013 @ 05:28PM EDT by leoj99
Zen Forums.
I think Zen Forums has made Zen a practice of philosophizing.
Some Zen Forums has so many categories and subdivisions.
It seems they think that Zen is the more complicated the better.
And I think Zen Forums has accumulated mountains and mountains of garbage. They had made Zen a philosophy. They always start with the idea of Zen.
Zen is simplifying. Simplicity.
But Zen Forums has made it so complicated.
I think Zenquide at least is the simplest.
|
|
↓Go to Latest Reply
|
→Reply to this Topic
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from nibble
Feb.16.2013
06:28PM EDT
|
|
Yeah! |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
149979
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from football
Feb.16.2013
06:41PM EDT
→Email football
|
|
If you have wisdom all is simple. |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
149980
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from *CSEe*
Feb.16.2013
10:27PM EDT
→Email *CSEe*
|
|
Just sharing , I do not trying to explain " Zen" as I really do not know the meaning or what should it means .....but since "zen" said to be closely discuss along Buddhism ...I just would like to share some views .
In my opinion , Buddhism is VERY EASY to understand , the concept of Buddhism is VERY SIMPLE and to me had give reason for all question or answer ...........the challenge is NOT JUST to understand Buddhism but to accept OWNSELVE .............
Thks
CSEe |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
149981
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from leoj99
Feb.16.2013
10:57PM EDT
|
|
So anyone in Zen Forums got enlightened? |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
149982
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from leoj99
Feb.17.2013
12:23AM EDT
|
|
There Is No Tomorrow |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
149989
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from *CSEe*
Feb.17.2013
01:27AM EDT
→Email *CSEe*
|
|
Quote: "So anyone in Zen Forums got enlightened? "
.........
To me " enlightened" is a condition one accepted themselves .....so if DAlai Lama accepted himself perhaps he will have no desire to teach ...even to talk of any topic ...
Thks
CSEe |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
149993
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from esoteric
Feb.17.2013
02:23AM EDT
|
|
Quote: "
Quote: "So anyone in Zen Forums got enlightened? "
.........
To me " enlightened" is a condition one accepted themselves .....so if DAlai Lama accepted himself perhaps he will have no desire to teach ...even to talk of any topic ...
Thks
CSEe "
.........
If Dalai Lama acted any different than Dalai Lama, it would mean he had not accepted Dalai Lama.
"...he will have no desire to teach ...even talk of any topic" means that you have not accepted Dalai Lama.
|
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
149995
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from esoteric
Feb.17.2013
02:33AM EDT
|
|
A human being just says what he or she needs to say, and doesn't say what he or she doesn't need to say. |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
149996
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from *CSEe*
Feb.17.2013
02:51AM EDT
→Email *CSEe*
|
|
Dear esoteric , you said i quote 'If Dalai Lama acted any different than Dalai Lama, it would mean he had not accepted Dalai Lama.' Un-quote
in my current understanding of Buddhism , accepting ownselves will lead to decreasing " the self" into no self - the emptiness NOT to increase " the self".........
Buddhism is a PROCESS leading to NOBODY not SOMEBODY ........
Dear esoteric " you said I quote '"...he will have no desire to teach ...even talk of any topic" means that you have not accepted Dalai Lama." un-quote
In my current understanding of Buddhism Dalai Lama is and will always be teacher to me SAME as YOU , SAME as Osama , SAME and EQUAL as the dirt under your shoes .....should I accept him differently ? Lets debate ......................
Thks
CSEe
|
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
149998
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from Sam Hardy
Feb.20.2013
09:56AM EDT
→Email Sam Hardy
|
|
Quote: " Dear esoteric , you said i quote 'If Dalai Lama acted any different than Dalai Lama, it would mean he had not accepted Dalai Lama.' Un-quote
in my current understanding of Buddhism , accepting ownselves will lead to decreasing " the self" into no self - the emptiness NOT to increase " the self".........
Buddhism is a PROCESS leading to NOBODY not SOMEBODY ........
Dear esoteric " you said I quote '"...he will have no desire to teach ...even talk of any topic" means that you have not accepted Dalai Lama." un-quote
In my current understanding of Buddhism Dalai Lama is and will always be teacher to me SAME as YOU , SAME as Osama , SAME and EQUAL as the dirt under your shoes .....should I accept him differently ? Lets debate ......................
Thks
CSEe
"
.........
Debate what? Whether we should treat the Dalai Lama like dogcrap? |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150055
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from Sam Hardy
Feb.20.2013
10:11AM EDT
→Email Sam Hardy
|
|
NO, to be serious for a nanosecond I find ZFI pretty good. It's more strictly moderated and people are quite a bit more serious and intellectual than they are here and discourage negativity whereas here you can be as negative as you like lol.
Also they've got qualified (with certificate to prove it lol) monks and teachers who offer advice (how to stop smoking and thinking and start living!) too and a lot of them end their posts with gasshos (then again they've got smileys - some of them animated - where you can stick your tongue out at everyone, which is an excellent idea etc.)
I suppose it's courses for horses of a different colour (if you'll excuse the mixed metaphor). :P Gash oh! |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150056
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from Avisitor
Feb.20.2013
01:42PM EDT
→Email Avisitor
|
|
Quote: "NO, to be serious for a nanosecond I find ZFI pretty good. It's more strictly moderated and people are quite a bit more serious and intellectual than they are here and discourage negativity whereas here you can be as negative as you like lol.
Also they've got qualified (with certificate to prove it lol) monks and teachers who offer advice (how to stop smoking and thinking and start living!) too and a lot of them end their posts with gasshos (then again they've got smileys - some of them animated - where you can stick your tongue out at everyone, which is an excellent idea etc.)
I suppose it's courses for horses of a different colour (if you'll excuse the mixed metaphor). :P Gash oh! "
.........
ZFI format is strict and in line with what the owner wants in a Zen forum.
Zen guide is much more like what would happen in an open forum.
People aren't just negative here. They show their attitude and accomplishments here in a way that ZFI could never do.
As for certificate to prove their qualified .... :P
I don't believe Buddha ever got a certificate. But, I would much rather have Buddha as my teacher than any of those at ZFI.
Oh, you could go to treeleaf. That's Jundo Cohen's site.
He only allows his approved students to be there.
No one else is allowed to post. And, there you have more censorship.
You want like minded people and yes men following you around????
Or would you rather have an open forum with the likes of the awakened spreading their cheer .... hahahaha
|
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150057
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from boymonk
Feb.20.2013
07:08PM EDT
|
|
Quote: "Quote: "You want like minded people and yes men following you around????
"
.........
They do elsewhere but not here, obviously. :)
|
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150059
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from leoj99
Feb.21.2013
12:11AM EDT
|
|
Like minded people and no negativity... what is negativity? When you don't like what others posted...lol
I think ZFI is like a religious institution.. they don't want they bosses to be crossed...lol .. so many egoistic moderators..lol.
and their posts are hundred pages...lol
And look at their topics mostly trivial matters..lol
|
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150060
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from meditate28
Feb.21.2013
01:06AM EDT
→Email meditate28
|
|
I agree to a bit of what I think you are saying. It seems that so many people have complicated and lengthy points of view and rules when it comes to living a zen life. Shouldn't being zen and balanced be a natural and effortless task. Inner peace should take over and one really doesn't need to toil and work at living a zen life. It really defeats the purpose as far as I'm concerned when it comes to living a balanced and zen life. Guidelines and heavy controls being placed on oneself makes living a balanced zen life seem stressful. It should just happen naturally. |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150064
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from leoj99
Feb.21.2013
01:15AM EDT
|
|
Exactly. Life should always be spontaneous.. |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150065
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from leoj99
Feb.21.2013
01:16AM EDT
|
|
Too much thinking and talking spoils it. |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150066
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from Sam Hardy
Feb.21.2013
05:17AM EDT
→Email Sam Hardy
|
|
There's nothing wrong with thinking if it's positive, creative and not deluded, neurotic, negative and obsessive.
To suggest that we should go around not thinking all the time, 24/7, is a nonsense and frankly a misunderstanding of what Zen is about.
Some people have got jobs in which they have to think or they wouldn't be able to do them.
Of course some jobs don't require real thinking, like being a political leader or conceptual artist.
You have to think to become a competent piano player. Then, when you become a virtuoso, you don't have to think so much if at all as it's by then all in the fingers.
|
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150067
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from Sam Hardy
Feb.21.2013
05:28AM EDT
→Email Sam Hardy
|
|
Quote: "Quote: "NO, to be serious for a nanosecond I find ZFI pretty good. It's more strictly moderated and people are quite a bit more serious and intellectual than they are here and discourage negativity whereas here you can be as negative as you like lol.
Also they've got qualified (with certificate to prove it lol) monks and teachers who offer advice (how to stop smoking and thinking and start living!) too and a lot of them end their posts with gasshos (then again they've got smileys - some of them animated - where you can stick your tongue out at everyone, which is an excellent idea etc.)
I suppose it's courses for horses of a different colour (if you'll excuse the mixed metaphor). :P Gash oh! "
.........
ZFI format is strict and in line with what the owner wants in a Zen forum.
Zen guide is much more like what would happen in an open forum.
People aren't just negative here. They show their attitude and accomplishments here in a way that ZFI could never do.
As for certificate to prove their qualified .... :P
I don't believe Buddha ever got a certificate. But, I would much rather have Buddha as my teacher than any of those at ZFI.
Oh, you could go to treeleaf. That's Jundo Cohen's site.
He only allows his approved students to be there.
No one else is allowed to post. And, there you have more censorship.
You want like minded people and yes men following you around????
Or would you rather have an open forum with the likes of the awakened spreading their cheer .... hahahaha
"
.........
I'm glad you laughed at the end so I didn't have to take what you'd said seriously hahahaha |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150068
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from Sam Hardy
Feb.21.2013
05:54AM EDT
→Email Sam Hardy
|
|
Quote: "Like minded people and no negativity... what is negativity? When you don't like what others posted...lol
I think ZFI is like a religious institution.. they don't want they bosses to be crossed...lol .. so many egoistic moderators..lol.
and their posts are hundred pages...lol
And look at their topics mostly trivial matters..lol
"
.........
That's utter nonsense to say that ZFI's topics are mostly trivial.
There's one at the moment on 'what should Zen practitioners drink?'
lol
As if the topics here aren't trivial too a good bit of the time.
Fact is the ZG is better in some ways than ZFI and worse in others.
Depends what you're looking for. ZFI is more for serious intellectual types who know what punctuation and syntax are, take Zen and enlightenment seriously and ZG is for Zen fools, crazy wisdom, beautiful and not so beautiful nonsense, Beat Zen, DeadBeat Zen, wise guys, stand up comedians, jokers, know-alls, know-nothings, Zen trolls and every type of spiritual outsider, back row heckler, kook and maverick ha ha ha Gassho |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150069
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from football
Feb.21.2013
08:00AM EDT
→Email football
|
|
and who is the maverick?....lol |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150070
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from Avisitor
Feb.21.2013
11:42AM EDT
→Email Avisitor
|
|
Quote: "I'm glad you laughed at the end so I didn't have to take what you'd said seriously hahahaha"
.........
I laugh cause there is nothing in this world that should be taken so seriously as to induce other types of emotions such as anger or frustration or sadness.
What I said is my opinion. You are entitled to your opinion.
If the two don't jive then great. If they do then great.
What you get out depends on what you put in ... hahaha
|
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150071
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from Avisitor
Feb.21.2013
11:50AM EDT
→Email Avisitor
|
|
Quote: "Fact is the ZG is better in some ways than ZFI and worse in others.
Depends what you're looking for. ZFI is more for serious intellectual types who know what punctuation and syntax are, take Zen and enlightenment seriously and ZG is for Zen fools, crazy wisdom, beautiful and not so beautiful nonsense, Beat Zen, DeadBeat Zen, wise guys, stand up comedians, jokers, know-alls, know-nothings, Zen trolls and every type of spiritual outsider, back row heckler, kook and maverick ha ha ha Gassho"
.........
Zen guide allows for anyone, who wants to start learning, to find a start.
There is no pushing to find a teacher and sangha.
It lets the idle curious ask questions and participate.
It lets the awaken to add quips ... a lively exchange.
ZFI is more for serious students. People who have a good back ground in Buddhism.
|
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150072
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from boymonk
Feb.21.2013
01:44PM EDT
|
|
Quote: "Quote: "ZFI is more for serious intellectual types who know what punctuation and syntax are, take Zen and enlightenment seriously"
.........
If they're so serious then why all the blabbing about Zen. HAHAHAHA!!
|
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150074
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from esoteric
Feb.21.2013
04:42PM EDT
|
|
Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "ZFI is more for serious intellectual types who know what punctuation and syntax are, take Zen and enlightenment seriously"
.........
If they're so serious then why all the blabbing about Zen. HAHAHAHA!!
"
.........
Practice.
|
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150076
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from boymonk
Feb.21.2013
05:38PM EDT
|
|
Blabbing practice. HEHE...
|
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150078
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from leoj99
Feb.21.2013
11:12PM EDT
|
|
Yeah they are mostly babbling about Zen at ZFI. Even the Teachers. Look at their posts too long to read, I think they are either like to confuse beginners even more or they are confused themselves.
So what should Zen people drink...lol.. the most trivial topic....
The first time I heard there is a Zen drink.. I hope it is not cola..lol
|
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150080
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from leoj99
Feb.21.2013
11:21PM EDT
|
|
ZG has no categories and subdivisions.. just posts what you like.. more spontaneous and no categorizing..
|
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150081
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from leoj99
Feb.21.2013
11:32PM EDT
|
|
Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "ZFI is more for serious intellectual types who know what punctuation and syntax are, take Zen and enlightenment seriously"
.........
If they're so serious then why all the blabbing about Zen. HAHAHAHA!!
"
.........
Yeah wondering why...?
|
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150083
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from boymonk
Feb.23.2013
10:04PM EDT
|
|
It's just what Zebs do. |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150116
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from leoj99
Feb.24.2013
12:48AM EDT
|
|
Yeah.. thats why I said Zeb...lol |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150122
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from Sam Hardy
Feb.24.2013
05:28AM EDT
→Email Sam Hardy
|
|
Quote: "Yeah.. thats why I said Zeb...lol
"
.........
I assumed it was another one of your typos.
Spontaneous yes. Spontaneous anger and frustration are better than formalized and artificial politeness. Sometimes my words might sound angry when I'm not. I the best judge of when I'm angry.
And I'm the best judge of when I'm laughing and who I'm laughing at or with ha ha ha |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150123
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from nibble
Feb.24.2013
05:18PM EDT
|
|
(Looking at my keyboard I find it more interesting how it is technically feasible to accidently type a Q instead of G:)) |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150137
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from Sam Hardy
Feb.26.2013
05:04AM EDT
→Email Sam Hardy
|
|
Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "ZFI is more for serious intellectual types who know what punctuation and syntax are, take Zen and enlightenment seriously"
.........
If they're so serious then why all the blabbing about Zen. HAHAHAHA!!
"
.........
Yeah wondering why...?
"
.........
I'm wondering why you blab on about Zen all the time to be honest.
It's a wonder you find time to meditate at all ha ha ha |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150188
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from football
Feb.26.2013
08:25AM EDT
→Email football
|
|
"Pir Pir Pir Pir Pir" ("whir of a bird's wings" in my language) |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150189
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from football
Feb.26.2013
08:29AM EDT
→Email football
|
|
Or most correctly;
"PIR PIR PIR PIR PIR" |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150190
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from nibble
Feb.26.2013
11:37AM EDT
|
|
Like Turkish? (no easy google:) |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150194
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from football
Feb.26.2013
11:46AM EDT
→Email football
|
|
yeap |
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150196
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from leoj99
Feb.27.2013
12:08AM EDT
|
|
Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "ZFI is more for serious intellectual types who know what punctuation and syntax are, take Zen and enlightenment seriously"
.........
If they're so serious then why all the blabbing about Zen. HAHAHAHA!!
"
.........
Yeah wondering why...?
"
.........
I'm wondering why you blab on about Zen all the time to be honest.
It's a wonder you find time to meditate at all ha ha ha "
.........
I think you are dreaming. Where did I blab about Zen..lol
|
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150210
|
|
| |
|
|
Reply from Avisitor
Feb.27.2013
12:10PM EDT
→Email Avisitor
|
|
Quote: "I think you are dreaming. Where did I blab about Zen..lol
"
.........
Hahaha ....!!!!
|
|
|
|
→Quote & Reply
→Post Reply
150225
|
|
| |
| ←Back To Topic List |
|
↑Go to Top of Page |
BUDDHA, MAE CHAN, THAILAND