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vertical line Posted on Feb.16.2013 @ 11:30PM EDT by leoj99
When you want to listen ... you stop thinking... right?
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Reply from leoj99
Feb.16.2013
11:31PM EDT 
vertical line How can you listen if you are always thinking...lol
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Reply from *CSEe*
Feb.16.2013
11:44PM EDT 
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Perhaps NO ....because if I stop thinking I never will understand what you say.....In my current understanding of Buddhism ......BEFORE you say anything , I must always free from any idea of you , feeedom from any faith on who are you , freedom from any emotion of you , freedom of any comparison with you against me of any being ..........and accept YOU same and EQUAL as Mr Siddhartta , Mr Dalai Lama , OBama , Osama , Hilter , ant , fly , dirt , rock............................when you say anything or everything will always be a source of learning for me to know myself .

"thinking" to me is exploration on "mind" as the reflection of "ownselve".....understanding "ownselve" will reflects a "awaken mind"........."awaken mind" will develope a thinking nature that reflect on the purpose of thinking ........thinking will never be for other purpose except to explore ownselves .......................... 

Thks

CSEe

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Reply from leoj99
Feb.16.2013
11:49PM EDT 
vertical line Try listening to music man.. you can only fully enjoy the music if you are not thinking at all.. your being is fully with the music..
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Reply from frozenaomi
Feb.17.2013
04:48PM EDT 
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vertical line I fear I still have great difficulty understanding anything you say. I am sure this is entirely my own fault and can only beg your indulgence. If you would be so kind as to define what you mean by "thinking" I would be extremely greatful.
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Reply from Avisitor
Feb.17.2013
05:52PM EDT 
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vertical line Leoj, you have presented your philosophy on Zen
Stop thinking seems to be your motto
So, why don't you explain more aboout what you mean by that.


On another website, they call this stop thinking as a iron rod method.
Use an iron rod and hit yourself over the head to stop thinking .... hahaha
Of course, we don't do something like that.

As Riverstone has stated before ....
Awareness is the practice of sitting Zazen
Observing the mind and letting go of thoughts
When the mind is ripe, thoughts fallaway and awareness can reflect our true nature.
Forcing thoughts to stop will only make you stop thinking and not bring about wisdom.
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Reply from leoj99
Feb.17.2013
06:33PM EDT 
vertical line Just do it man. If you can't do it.. just stop talking...lol
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Reply from leoj99
Feb.17.2013
06:34PM EDT 
vertical line Look at the other topic: Rain...lol
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Reply from frozenaomi
Feb.17.2013
06:52PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Just do it man. If you can't do it.. just stop talking...lol "
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I am not sure if I can or cannot since I am not sure what exact process you mean.  I am sure it is tedious, but if you would give me just a little more insight into your meaning I would thank you.
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Reply from leoj99
Feb.17.2013
07:23PM EDT 
vertical line Well at least you should know when you are thinking. You may be always thinking and you don't even know you are thinking or you are not aware  you are thinking?
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Reply from frozenaomi
Feb.17.2013
08:16PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Well at least you should know when you are thinking. You may be always thinking and you don't even know you are thinking or you are not aware  you are thinking? "
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So thinking does not cover being aware that I am thinking?  Or would being aware of my thinking be a thought?  I'm sorry, I'm trying, I'm just all mixed up.
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Reply from nibble
Feb.17.2013
09:38PM EDT 
vertical line ... awh, looka here, no zen teacher as U might suspect 'but we both know of preconvived ideas like:

" I am sure it is tedious"

Now, where did that come from??
(try answer like really fast whatever pops to mind, regardless how it sounds or make you look!:)
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Reply from Avisitor
Feb.17.2013
10:18PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Just do it man. If you can't do it.. just stop talking...lol "
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Just do it??? What are you ... a spokesman for NIKE??
You're the one who is promoting stop thinking But, you are also the one who is doing the most talkiing ... hahaha

It is about settling the mind and gaining peace
It isn't about silence
Woe ... the slins and arrows .... hahahaha
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Reply from boymonk
Feb.17.2013
10:23PM EDT 
vertical line He meant slings and arrows. :)
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Reply from leoj99
Feb.17.2013
10:30PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Well at least you should know when you are thinking. You may be always thinking and you don't even know you are thinking or you are not aware  you are thinking? "
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So thinking does not cover being aware that I am thinking?  Or would being aware of my thinking be a thought?  I'm sorry, I'm trying, I'm just all mixed up.
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Just no thinking... thats it.. if you are thinking you are thinking.. if you are not thinking .. you don't think...don't make it complicated...lol
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Reply from esoteric
Feb.18.2013
02:01AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Well at least you should know when you are thinking. You may be always thinking and you don't even know you are thinking or you are not aware  you are thinking? "
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So thinking does not cover being aware that I am thinking?  Or would being aware of my thinking be a thought?  I'm sorry, I'm trying, I'm just all mixed up.
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Just no thinking... thats it.. if you are thinking you are thinking.. if you are not thinking .. you don't think...don't make it complicated...lol
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What is thinking?
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Feb.18.2013
08:41AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Well at least you should know when you are thinking. You may be always thinking and you don't even know you are thinking or you are not aware  you are thinking? "
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So thinking does not cover being aware that I am thinking?  Or would being aware of my thinking be a thought?  I'm sorry, I'm trying, I'm just all mixed up.
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Just no thinking... thats it.. if you are thinking you are thinking.. if you are not thinking .. you don't think...don't make it complicated...lol
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What is thinking?
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Who or what is doing the thinking???

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Feb.18.2013
08:55AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Well at least you should know when you are thinking. You may be always thinking and you don't even know you are thinking or you are not aware  you are thinking? "
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So thinking does not cover being aware that I am thinking?  Or would being aware of my thinking be a thought?  I'm sorry, I'm trying, I'm just all mixed up.
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I'm sorry for interrupting. I know you were addressing Leoj.
But, I have asked him to explain his stop thinking but he just keeps saying the same thing ... again and again.

Being aware of your thinking is "being aware".
Thinking or thought bubble up from the depths of your mind
We become aware of this and let the thoughts go
We do not chase the thoughts nor do we suppress the thoughts.
Just being aware of the thoughts
A useful tool to keep the mind on awareness is using the breathe as a link to awareness.
When you become aware you are not focused on breathe, you bring back your attention onto breathe.
In this way, your concentration gets better with practice
As your concentration gets better, so does your awareness.
The mind quiets down and your awareness can see each moment
You live in the here and now ... maybe you will notice things you didn't before??
Random thoughts are less distracting and less frequent.
Clarity opens life's little nuances

No, we aren't trying to stop thought.
But, with practice, the mind quiets down and we can see the moon in the water ... hahahaha
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Reply from leoj99
Feb.18.2013
05:02PM EDT 
vertical line When the mind quiets down then it can stop thinking.. what else dude...lol

Are you trying to be an smarty?...lol
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Reply from leoj99
Feb.18.2013
05:54PM EDT 
vertical line How can you see the reflection of the moon on water if you are always thinking, only when there is no thought in your mind you can see...lol
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Reply from leoj99
Feb.18.2013
06:08PM EDT 
vertical line If the water is murky and not still then it cannot reflect the moon clearly. Only when the water is clear and still when the the reflection of the moon is clear and beautiful. Like your mind if it is full of thoughts and always thinking how can it reflect anything, how can it see.
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Reply from boymonk
Feb.18.2013
08:26PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "If the water is murky and not still then it cannot reflect the moon clearly. Only when the water is clear and still when the the reflection of the moon is clear and beautiful. Like your mind if it is full of thoughts and always thinking how can it reflect anything, how can it see. "
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Cuz it's not reflecting something else?
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Reply from football
Feb.19.2013
03:41AM EDT 
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vertical line Well...the water is very murky here.It reflects something at every 3-5 day. It depends on the goings on at the forum or the concentration of me.I dont know which one is more important here.The forum is a good teacher for me.like a shining moon on the water.even seeing some part of it is a good feeling
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Reply from leoj99
Feb.19.2013
03:54AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Well...the water is very murky here.It reflects something at every 3-5 day. It depends on the goings on at the forum or the concentration of me.I dont know which one is more important here.The forum is a good teacher for me.like a shining moon on the water.even seeing some part of it is a good feeling"
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So what did it reflect?..lol
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Reply from football
Feb.19.2013
06:26AM EDT 
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vertical line The moon is white.What can it reflect my friend?
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Reply from football
Feb.19.2013
01:56PM EDT 
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vertical line studio baby
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Reply from nibble
Feb.19.2013
03:24PM EDT 
vertical line Hmmm... well now, is it the finger pointing or the sun.. awh, heey, now I can`t see my finger anymore! Where is everybody?? Help, can`t see jack, now where did that that finger go?? Maybe if I feel my way,.. ouch, dang that hurt, heeelp, heelp!*

*disclaimer - if U for any reason did not find this funny, for refund please contact:
"just arrived from holiday catching up with hard physical labour during day with the night free to do critical web work" P.O. Box 800 - technically the moon reflects the sun moron! (Now off to never never-land, G`night:))

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