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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: WHO FOUND NIRVANA?
vertical line Posted on Feb.24.2013 @ 04:02AM EDT by leoj99
Who found Nirvana?

The search for Nirvana is long and hard. So where and how most people are looking and searching.

Who in in Zen Forums found Nirvana? Have they found it by talking and posting long views?

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Reply from *CSEe*
Feb.24.2013
06:41AM EDT 
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Perhaps in Buddhism , the more desire to search .......the more self created ..........and to me Buddhism is a process decreasing self into emptiness not increasing self back into existance ..........

Emptiness is not something to find or resulted from any practice or desire but is a condition after freedom of self ...........

In my current opinion , even Siddharta was never in emptiness .all his life ..........he just found out the understanding ..................

Thks

CSEe

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Reply from football
Feb.24.2013
07:23AM EDT 
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So the understanding is emptiness?

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Reply from football
Feb.24.2013
07:24AM EDT 
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nir : out, away from

va : blowing, as in blowing of the wind

Nirvana- blowing out

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Reply from Avisitor
Feb.24.2013
08:36AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote "Who found Nirvana?

The search for Nirvana is long and hard. So where and how most people are looking and searching.

Who in in Zen Forums found Nirvana? Have they found it by talking and posting long views?

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If you believe the search for Nirvana to be long and hard then it will be.
If you believe that no one has found Nirvana by visiting Zen forums then no one has ... hahaha
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Reply from Avisitor
Feb.24.2013
08:38AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "

Perhaps in Buddhism , the more desire to search .......the more self created ..........and to me Buddhism is a process decreasing self into emptiness not increasing self back into existance ..........

Emptiness is not something to find or resulted from any practice or desire but is a condition after freedom of self ...........

In my current opinion , even Siddharta was never in emptiness .all his life ..........he just found out the understanding ..................

Thks

CSEe

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That is your opinion!!!
Fact is stranger than fiction .... hahaha
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Reply from *CSEe*
Feb.24.2013
10:19AM EDT 
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Perhaps in Buddhism , the more desire to search .......the more self created ..........and to me Buddhism is a process decreasing self into emptiness not increasing self back into existance ..........

Emptiness is not something to find or resulted from any practice or desire but is a condition after freedom of self ...........

In my current opinion , even Siddharta was never in emptiness .all his life ..........he just found out the understanding ..................

Thks

CSEe

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That is your opinion!!!
Fact is stranger than fiction .... hahaha
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That is your opinion!!!
Fact is stranger than fiction .... hahaha
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Hi friend , I thought I lost you ...thanks for your interest to continue debate with me ........what is fact in buddhism , master ?

In human culture , knowledge is the basis in human lifes so understanding of knowledge define " what is fact"...........but in my current opinion , there is nothing should be a "fact' or a confirmed right condition as all is in a moving process ....a constantly moving process that continue to change..............share you view my friend ........

Thks

CSEe

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Reply from nibble
Feb.24.2013
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Who in in Zen Forums found Nirvana? Have they found it by talking and posting long views?

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Not sure if anyone here has found youre nirvana leo, but I`ll keep a lookout and let you know right away if anything pops up, ok?
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Reply from jordtm
Feb.24.2013
07:44PM EDT 
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vertical line Much of that worldly anxiety burns out. Sweet dreams.
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Reply from leoj99
Feb.24.2013
08:08PM EDT 
vertical line Yeah it is my observation that it seems many people in Zen Forums have found Nirvana that is why they are talking long about it. Their views may be expressing Nirvana.
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Reply from leoj99
Feb.24.2013
08:10PM EDT 
vertical line But then I also observe that no one has said exactly what it is.
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Reply from *CSEe*
Feb.24.2013
08:37PM EDT 
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To me , as the process of Buddhism , one will experience " less emotion" naturally ....one will be less desire , less will / determination , less hope . less compassion/love , less ego/greed etc ....so as one progress into greater realization of himself ...he will be less emotion for anything and everything so even he will be less thinking because the mind as reflection on a decreased self is also decreased ...so in Buddhism one will stop thinking naturally not by desire or plan or wish but as a reflection of a decreased self / decreased mind ......................

So with my current understanding , I cant find any logic to create desire to stop thinking and trying to practice to clear mind by a wish or any form of practice because to me Buddhism is a process where mind will be clear / empty naturally by self realization not by creating more self.

Thks

CSEe

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Reply from leoj99
Feb.24.2013
10:36PM EDT 
vertical line Ego, greed, suffering. etc... comes from thinking... so if you stop thinking they are gone...
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Reply from leoj99
Feb.24.2013
10:51PM EDT 
vertical line Maybe they are talking of Nirvana where they heard it somewhere. Somebody told them about it or they have read it in a book or books. Maybe that explains why they cannot really hit the target.
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Reply from leoj99
Feb.24.2013
10:56PM EDT 
vertical line And they talk forever about Nirvana...lol
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Reply from leoj99
Feb.24.2013
10:58PM EDT 
vertical line Which is Zen. Zen is experiencing Nirvana.
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Reply from *CSEe*
Feb.24.2013
11:33PM EDT 
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Quote: "Ego, greed, suffering. etc... comes from thinking... so if you stop thinking they are gone... "
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Perhaps , the desire to stop thinking is reflection of being ego , being confident , base on faith ...still polluted energy in action , still very much attached to the self . A car with different brand...

Buddhism is realization of all emotions , acceptance of all emotions , acceptance of self and emptiness ....leading to freedom of it naturally not by desire .

So in my current understanding , I could plan to stop thinking , practice all kind of meditation to free from thinking ....but still the polluted energy will still be with me as I still attached to the self ...........so to me , just like taking out a cup of water from the ocean ..........the ocean still there .............

Thks

CSEe

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Reply from leoj99
Feb.25.2013
12:37AM EDT 
vertical line I guess you just debate with yourself so you will have your current understanding all by yourself...All by yourself...lol
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Feb.25.2013
01:13AM EDT 
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Quote: "I guess you just debate with yourself so you will have your current understanding all by yourself...All by yourself...lol "
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My "current" understanding reflects on understnding on a particular time ......so is constantly moving .........yes , by challenging my current understanding , this is part of my learning process ..........so my current understanding is never stay or static by in constant motion .

Yes , with that " current" understanding is myself ,..........but is not something I wish to hae or I must have......but is something I learn , accept and leading to freedom of it .

You , my friend like the rest is my teacher ........providing me a lesson regardless what you do .

Thks

CSEe

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Reply from Sam Hardy
Feb.25.2013
05:48AM EDT 
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vertical line Posts should get shorter and shorter and eventually disappear like Leoj’s thoughts (and posts) … OM OMG
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Reply from Avisitor
Feb.25.2013
06:56AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Posts should get shorter and shorter and eventually disappear like Leoj’s thoughts (and posts) … OM OMG
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Not going to happen .... hahaha
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Feb.25.2013
06:29PM EDT 
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