Perhaps in Buddhism , the more desire to search .......the more self created ..........and to me Buddhism is a process decreasing self into emptiness not increasing self back into existance ..........

Emptiness is not something to find or resulted from any practice or desire but is a condition after freedom of self ...........

In my current opinion , even Siddharta was never in emptiness .all his life ..........he just found out the understanding ..................

Thks

CSEe

So the understanding is emptiness?

nir : out, away from

va : blowing, as in blowing of the wind

Nirvana- blowing out

Hi friend , I thought I lost you ...thanks for your interest to continue debate with me ........what is fact in buddhism , master ?

In human culture , knowledge is the basis in human lifes so understanding of knowledge define " what is fact"...........but in my current opinion , there is nothing should be a "fact' or a confirmed right condition as all is in a moving process ....a constantly moving process that continue to change..............share you view my friend ........

Thks

CSEe

To me , as the process of Buddhism , one will experience " less emotion" naturally ....one will be less desire , less will / determination , less hope . less compassion/love , less ego/greed etc ....so as one progress into greater realization of himself ...he will be less emotion for anything and everything so even he will be less thinking because the mind as reflection on a decreased self is also decreased ...so in Buddhism one will stop thinking naturally not by desire or plan or wish but as a reflection of a decreased self / decreased mind ......................

So with my current understanding , I cant find any logic to create desire to stop thinking and trying to practice to clear mind by a wish or any form of practice because to me Buddhism is a process where mind will be clear / empty naturally by self realization not by creating more self.

Thks

CSEe

Quote: "Ego, greed, suffering. etc... comes from thinking... so if you stop thinking they are gone... "
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Perhaps , the desire to stop thinking is reflection of being ego , being confident , base on faith ...still polluted energy in action , still very much attached to the self . A car with different brand...

Buddhism is realization of all emotions , acceptance of all emotions , acceptance of self and emptiness ....leading to freedom of it naturally not by desire .

So in my current understanding , I could plan to stop thinking , practice all kind of meditation to free from thinking ....but still the polluted energy will still be with me as I still attached to the self ...........so to me , just like taking out a cup of water from the ocean ..........the ocean still there .............

Thks

CSEe

Quote: "I guess you just debate with yourself so you will have your current understanding all by yourself...All by yourself...lol "
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My "current" understanding reflects on understnding on a particular time ......so is constantly moving .........yes , by challenging my current understanding , this is part of my learning process ..........so my current understanding is never stay or static by in constant motion .

Yes , with that " current" understanding is myself ,..........but is not something I wish to hae or I must have......but is something I learn , accept and leading to freedom of it .

You , my friend like the rest is my teacher ........providing me a lesson regardless what you do .

Thks

CSEe