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vertical line Posted on Mar.06.2013 @ 02:06AM EDT by leoj99
There is Nothing to Think About.

But how come most people insists on thinking and continue thinking?

Isn't that kinda stupid?


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Reply from leoj99
Mar.06.2013
02:10AM EDT 
vertical line Even Zen Teachers in the internet kinda hate my stop thinking formula.
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Reply from leoj99
Mar.06.2013
02:13AM EDT 
vertical line Maybe that is why only very few of those who came here in this forum are here now. I suspect the hate the not thinking formula...lol
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Reply from *CSEe*
Mar.06.2013
03:09AM EDT 
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because you still talking , still have desire to talk , still have desire to write ...that is why you need to think ...if you have no more desire even the desire to exist , you will be in emptiness ...thats Buddhism .

So think as your wish , as all will be part of your process towards emptiness .

thks

CSEe

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Reply from leoj99
Mar.06.2013
04:37AM EDT 
vertical line All thoughts or the results of thinking are just abstractions. Never the real thing.
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Reply from Avisitor
Mar.07.2013
12:34AM EDT 
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vertical line Are you still looking for the iron rod method to work??
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Reply from leoj99
Mar.07.2013
12:43AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Are you still looking for the iron rod method to work?? "
.........

I know it will never work with you but maybe there are some few others..
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Mar.07.2013
01:14AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Are you still looking for the iron rod method to work?? "
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I know it will never work with you but maybe there are some few others..
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As I have said before, stop thinking isn't the right way.
We are working on attention and concentration
Making our awareness clear, sharp, focused .....
Becoming more aware of the present moment ...
And in this way, our minds naturally calm down and become silent.
And in that silence comes the equanimity we seek

Stopping thought will only force one to be lost in silence.
That is why the instruction for beginners is to let go of thought
To not chase it nor suppress thought.
Just return to breathe when one finds one is not on breathe.

I know this is a subtle difference to you
But, it makes all the difference.
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Reply from leoj99
Mar.07.2013
01:55AM EDT 
vertical line Why are you making it so complicated? When you are able to return to breathe when you are thinking that means you were able to stop thinking.. otherwise you cannot return to breathe.
It is either you are thinking for you return to breathe.
When the mind is silent that means it is not thinking.
When you understands the nature of thoughts that they are only at best abstractions of the truth and never the truth, thoughts will no longer arise. If ever they will arise it may be just very rare.

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Reply from Avisitor
Mar.07.2013
02:09AM EDT 
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vertical line Normal everyday life requires thought.
Working for a living rquires thought
You make it out like stop thinking will bring the solution to your whole life.
It doesn't. You still live in this world.
You still need to work and pay bills.
You still have emotions.

Even though you live in the here and now, there is a future to think about ...hahaha
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Reply from leoj99
Mar.07.2013
02:23AM EDT 
vertical line Hehe.. but of course... lol
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Reply from leoj99
Mar.07.2013
02:26AM EDT 
vertical line Those are good only for your physical existence.
But when in comes to existential matters or spiritual matters don't think.
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Reply from leoj99
Mar.07.2013
02:28AM EDT 
vertical line So why do you think I have to go to work and earn a living. I can still drive. I can attend to family concerns.
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Mar.07.2013
09:50AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "So why do you think I have to go to work and earn a living. I can still drive. I can attend to family concerns. "
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Cuz over 90% of people need to work to pay for their cost of living expenses.
If you are so lucky to not have to work then what is it that you do all day ... hahaha
Drive? and take care of family concerns?

Having money ... like Jesus said, (I'm paraphrasing) ... makes going to Heaven like trying to make a camel go through the eye of a needle.
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Reply from nibble
Mar.07.2013
06:28PM EDT 
vertical line Sorry, have to go with avisitor for the time being. Back in army green, for some miraculous reason I`ve managed to get the title of "potato" once again, meaning that I am free, free to do whatever I mean suit my troop the best, it means a lot of thinking. Like what to do when and if I am to instruct road control, what to do and instruct if I am to lead at the shooting range tomorrow. I am not picky, just give me a hard nut to crack and I am on it, put me into some static position with well-defined responsibilities and chores, and I am outta here tomorrow.
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Reply from nibble
Mar.07.2013
06:33PM EDT 
vertical line (Just don`t not boore me and I am happy)
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Mar.07.2013
11:41PM EDT 
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vertical line Leo can't stop thinking about stopping thinking..lol hahaha
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Reply from leoj99
Mar.08.2013
12:49AM EDT 
vertical line Yeah right ... lol .. thats because most people are hard headed.. lol.. they can't get a simple thing... all they need to do is just do it.. experiment a little about it.. and see if it is true..

Actually most people are just talking like zombies.. all zen talks in zen forums are like zombies...lol
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Reply from leoj99
Mar.08.2013
12:54AM EDT 
vertical line You should think on technical things but don't think on non-technical things. Non-technical things are what should zen forums are concerned for. That is why I say don't think. If it concerns Zen don't think...lol
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