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vertical line Posted on Mar.22.2013 @ 01:58AM EDT by leoj99
Maybe this is simple if you cannot stop thinking.

The Mechanics of Controlling Your Mind

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Reply from *CSEe*
Mar.22.2013
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To me , as long as you have desire to " control " your mind , you will always creating a self in you ...yourself will always be your suffering or your joy , the cause of your existance .................

In my current understanding , Buddhism is a natural process , a reflection of self realization not a result of desire or practice ............any way still anything that you do is part of your learning...still is in the process known to me as Buddhism.

Thks

CSEe

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Mar.22.2013
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vertical line Can you natural process your way to doing math or writing essays???

One must learn and then one must practice.
This is the way ....
This is the gateless gate ....

When your awareness is lacking, you will do much to defend your notions of truth ... haha
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Mar.25.2013
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Mar.25.2013
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vertical line Leo you are in a state of "nonstop thinking"
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Mar.26.2013
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vertical line Quote: "Leo you are in a state of "nonstop thinking""
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Leoj once boasted that he has never read a book on Zen or Buddhism ... hahaha
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Mar.26.2013
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Quote: "Can you natural process your way to doing math or writing essays???

One must learn and then one must practice.
This is the way ....
This is the gateless gate ....

When your awareness is lacking, you will do much to defend your notions of truth ... haha
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Yes , if you refer to knowledge yes one must practice , must learn to know and to gain knowledge .By going to school , listening to teacher one can obtain knowledge of doing maths or writing great essays.......but is Buddhism purely knowledge ? Do you think you could understand Buddhism by "practicing" , "listening" to your teacher , reading tons of books or even talking to Siddharta himself ?

I do not think so currently . In my current understanding Buddhism is beyond knowledge , beyond life , beyond all culture so sorry in advance if one live by knowledge as basis , by culture as lifestyles , by emotions as tools to learn ...perhaps he will only found himself , creating himself , believing in himself and always exist with himself ................Dear master , I had many times request to learn from you by actively debate and I hope you could accept . So dear master , share your reason why you think one must practice Buddhism and how ?

In my current understanding Buddhism is a process that cant be stopped that is natural for all living or non-living . Buddhism is not by choice or by practice ......no one could escape from Buddhism and all being are heading to emptiness . So is always a choice to choose on long / more suffering path or shorter / less suffering path......but no matter what path still leading to emptiness .

Dear Avisitor , I had openly requesting any master to debate with me sincerely for my own learning process but so far none had longer period than you ..you are the longest master that willingly discuss with me and I really hope you could share more of your understanding with me ...........and again I never defended any views as I never have faith even to my view .

Thks

CSEe

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Mar.26.2013
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vertical line Quote: "Yes , if you refer to knowledge yes one must practice , must learn to know and to gain knowledge .By going to school , listening to teacher one can obtain knowledge of doing maths or writing great essays.......but is Buddhism purely knowledge ? Do you think you could understand Buddhism by "practicing" , "listening" to your teacher , reading tons of books or even talking to Siddharta himself ?

If part of Buddhism is not knowledge then how do you know about it??
How do you have a current understanding if not by knowledge??

I do not think so currently . In my current understanding Buddhism is beyond knowledge , beyond life , beyond all culture so sorry in advance if one live by knowledge as basis , by culture as lifestyles , by emotions as tools to learn ...perhaps he will only found himself , creating himself , believing in himself and always exist with himself ................Dear master , I had many times request to learn from you by actively debate and I hope you could accept . So dear master , share your reason why you think one must practice Buddhism and how ?

Buddhism is the thing pointing to that which is beyond knowledge and beyond life. Don't confuse what points to that which is beyond and what is beyond  ..... hahaha

In my current understanding Buddhism is a process that cant be stopped that is natural for all living or non-living . Buddhism is not by choice or by practice ......no one could escape from Buddhism and all being are heading to emptiness . So is always a choice to choose on long / more suffering path or shorter / less suffering path......but no matter what path still leading to emptiness .

In life, you come to moments where you are forced to make choices. Whether it is to have a baby or not ... get married or not ... go to work or not ... follow Buddhism or not ... Your choices are what determines where you go. All paths are not the same.

Dear Avisitor , I had openly requesting any master to debate with me sincerely for my own learning process but so far none had longer period than you ..you are the longest master that willingly discuss with me and I really hope you could share more of your understanding with me ...........and again I never defended any views as I never have faith even to my view .

No, there are no masters here. Only another person pointing the way. The choices are still yours to choose .... hahahaha

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Mar.26.2013
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Dear Avisitor , thank you so much for your interest to discuss with me . You said I quote " If part of Buddhism is not knowledge then how do you know about it??
How do you have a current understanding if not by knowledge?? Un-quote

I hope you could read my writing seriously to avoid repeated explaination . I said Buddhism is NOT purely knowledge , is beyond knowledge . Knowledge is just a tiny part of Buddhism . Everything , anything , any action , any re-action , any knowledge , any happening is Buddhism regardless meditation or killing or being kill or having sex or watchig a bird in the garden is all in a process known to me as Buddhism . All being is in this natural process at all times .

But.......dear master , in current human culture , knowledge seems to be used as the basis of all lifelihood and sadly human accepted Buddhism is part of their knowledge .....Buddhism is being shaped into a religion , a culture and a knowledge ....to me that is human suffering , part of human learning process . If human continues to accept Buddhism is knowledge , learn in same method like a student learning history , learning maths in school ...human will always be human , the one they already known and will be the one they wish to be . Human will always exist in the circle of existance , with Self is the cause .

Buddhism is self realization , is you discover you and yourself ,is you realize you and yourself , is you accept what are you and what is yourself ......is you letting go yourself and be you- the emptiness NATURALLY not by desire.

So if you attached to your knowledge , you will always glued to yourself , you will gain more self as your knowledge increase..........so the more you know , the more you create yourself , the more suffering you will be as yourself is the cause of all your existance and joy & suffering is part of your emotions in your existance .

Buddhism is a process decreasing self , decreasing on knowing , increasing self realization towards emptiness NATURALLY .

Thks

CSEe

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Mar.26.2013
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Dear Avisitor , you said I quote " Buddhism is the thing pointing to that which is beyond knowledge and beyond life. Don't confuse what points to that which is beyond and what is beyond  ..... hahaha" Un-quote

YES , all happening is part of Buddhism , as I have said thousand of time there is no right or wrong , no true or false , no good or bad in Buddhism . Anything , everything , every action / re-action is Buddhism ........................

So the purpose I wish to debate is to discover more on myself so that I do not need to fly from Miami to Australia and back to LA .........by debating perhaps I could fly directly to LA from Miami.....................so what is confusing to you ? I am here to learn not teach .....

Thks

CSEe

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Mar.26.2013
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Dear Avisitor , you said I quote " In life, you come to moments where you are forced to make choices. Whether it is to have a baby or not ... get married or not ... go to work or not ... follow Buddhism or not ... Your choices are what determines where you go. All paths are not the same." Un-quote

Yes , if you used your kowledge to measure , to judge base on your comparison on good verses bad , right verses wrong or true verses false ...........You will definately see the different , understand the different and even having faith resulted from the different .................why ? Because you still attached to your emotion , having faith of your emotion , know something which you already known , make judgement base on what you know ..................thats human .

In Buddhism , in my curreent understanding all choices that you take will be part of your learning process , part of your Buddhism ...so regadless what you do still that is in Buddhism . You always have choices , freedom to make choices , freedom to joy or suffer.....is always you and yourself . In human culture , if you take a wrong bus to a different place , that is wrong move , wrong decision but in Buddhism ...there is no wrong or right because you still need to learn , discover you and yourself .

Osama action in Buddhism is the same as Dalai Lama words ...because both is a great source for learning , is your choice to learn but if you choose creates more self in you from both sources , you will increase your journey into emptiness .......................

Thks

CSEe

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Mar.26.2013
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Dear Avisitor , you said , I quote " No, there are no masters here. Only another person pointing the way. The choices are still yours to choose .... hahahaha" Un-quote

Perhaps is your suffering pointing the way to me .............Buddhism to me is learning not trying to show others own path or to teach others ......I find joy discussing Buddhism simply because I accepted all as my teacher , teachig me Buddhism but I never had any intention to teach as I currently accepted Buddhism is impossible to be taught but could only be learned .

Thks

CSEe

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Reply from leoj99
Mar.27.2013
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I was not boasting. I was just telling the truth...lol
And how can you boast of not reading any book. Usually  boasting is when you know a lot by reading books..lol
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Mar.27.2013
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vertical line Quote: "I hope you could read my writing seriously to avoid repeated explaination . I said Buddhism is NOT purely knowledge , is beyond knowledge . Knowledge is just a tiny part of Buddhism .


You twist everything around to suit your current understanding of Buddhism.
Sorry, but, you are not worth debating if you can not keep your facts straight from your fiction. So enough is enough. Stop giving me your excuses for your words.
You can not say that Buddhism is not knowledge when all it is to you is things to know. Realization while you are still polluted .. ????
Stop all this non sense and get back to basics other wise everything you have built will fall down around you .... hahahaha
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Mar.27.2013
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Quote: "Quote: "I hope you could read my writing seriously to avoid repeated explaination . I said Buddhism is NOT purely knowledge , is beyond knowledge . Knowledge is just a tiny part of Buddhism .


You twist everything around to suit your current understanding of Buddhism.
Sorry, but, you are not worth debating if you can not keep your facts straight from your fiction. So enough is enough. Stop giving me your excuses for your words.
You can not say that Buddhism is not knowledge when all it is to you is things to know. Realization while you are still polluted .. ????
Stop all this non sense and get back to basics other wise everything you have built will fall down around you .... hahahaha
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I really cant understand what makes you say I twisted my words ........perhaps you could give me example , perhaps you do not understand my writing , perhaps you did not seriously read what I wrote ........sincerely I never escape anything or need to twist any words ...........Dear master , again focus on NOW............Dear Master ...please read carefully ...I say Buddhism is not purely knowledge , knowledge is a tiny part of Buddhism ......I really hope you could focus on the topic and debate with me and from all your reply I have reason to believe you are avoiding debate ......lets debate on this topic . I say Buddhism is beyond knowledge and knowledge is just a tiny part of Buddhism ........so if you dis-agree please debate .

Thks

CSEe

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