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vertical line Posted on Mar.30.2013 @ 07:04AM EDT by *CSEe*

Is there anything not Buddhism? Currently I cant find any ....

Thks

CSEe


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Reply from cinchona
Mar.30.2013
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vertical line what is buddhism?
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Reply from leoj99
Mar.30.2013
02:30PM EDT 
vertical line There is.. just go to the toilet...lol
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Mar.30.2013
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vertical line Ah ... most Zen Forums hate toilet talk... I hope I'll be be banned here...lol
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vertical line I hope i'll not be banned here...lol
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Mar.30.2013
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Quote: "what is buddhism?"
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In my current understanding , Buddhism is the natural process of all being regardless living or non-living , in short -everything releasing it pollutant back into emptiness . So every thing is buddhism nothing is not Buddhism ...what is your understanding , please share .

Thks

CSEe

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Mar.30.2013
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Quote: "There is.. just go to the toilet...lol "
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If possible please explain further .

Thks

CSEe

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Mar.30.2013
07:20PM EDT 
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If possible please explain further .

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No explanation is possible.. just do it... go to the toilet and find it yourself.. it is better if it is a public toilet...
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Mar.30.2013
09:01PM EDT 
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If possible please explain further .

Thks

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No explanation is possible.. just do it... go to the toilet and find it yourself.. it is better if it is a public toilet...
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No explanation is possible.. just do it... go to the toilet and find it yourself.. it is better if it is a public toilet...
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To me , all being is in own process releasing its polluted energy towards emptiness even sh...t or rubbish and all being is same and equal , so I am same and equal as any dirt , rubbish even the one you find inside toilet bowl ............why ? because they exist in their own existance just like me and they in their own process with their nature leading towards emptiness . Perhaps the cause of their existance is their nature but the cause of my existance as human is all my emotions ...still is the energy cause our existance .

buddhism is a process that naturally accur to all leading back into the original condition of nothingness .

I hope to debate with others for my own learning lesson .

Thks

CSEe

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Mar.30.2013
11:02PM EDT 
vertical line Wow have you done it going to the toilet yet?
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Mar.31.2013
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In my current understanding , Buddhism is the natural process of all being regardless living or non-living , in short -everything releasing it pollutant back into emptiness . So every thing is buddhism nothing is not Buddhism ...what is your understanding , please share .


Thks


CSEe

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everything and nothing are the same
both dualistic....both illusion
all knowledge is like moonlight.
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Mar.31.2013
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vertical line Yeah it is all words..
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Mar.31.2013
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In my current understanding , Buddhism is the natural process of all being regardless living or non-living , in short -everything releasing it pollutant back into emptiness . So every thing is buddhism nothing is not Buddhism ...what is your understanding , please share .


Thks


CSEe

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everything and nothing are the same
both dualistic....both illusion
all knowledge is like moonlight.
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everything and nothing are the same
both dualistic....both illusion
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Thanks for sharing , so what is Buddhism to you ? Hopefully you could share

Thks

CSEe

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Apr.01.2013
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Apr.01.2013
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Quote: "what is buddhism?"
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In my current understanding , Buddhism is the natural process of all being regardless living or non-living , in short -everything releasing it pollutant back into emptiness . So every thing is buddhism nothing is not Buddhism ...what is your understanding , please share .

Thks

CSEe

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Why is the pollution not a part of Buddhism?   Or if it is part of Buddhism why should it be released?  Is not our corruption as fundamentally a part of reality as our purity?  Or our toes?
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Apr.02.2013
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Quote: "what is buddhism?"
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In my current understanding , Buddhism is the natural process of all being regardless living or non-living , in short -everything releasing it pollutant back into emptiness . So every thing is buddhism nothing is not Buddhism ...what is your understanding , please share .

Thks

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Why is the pollution not a part of Buddhism?   Or if it is part of Buddhism why should it be released?  Is not our corruption as fundamentally a part of reality as our purity?  Or our toes?
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Why is the pollution not a part of Buddhism?   Or if it is part of Buddhism why should it be released?  Is not our corruption as fundamentally a part of reality as our purity?  Or our toes?
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In my current understanding , Buddhism is a process back into nothingness and any pollutant or energy that cause existance still is part of the process .......anything / everything is part of Buddhism .

Thks

CSEe

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In my current understanding , Buddhism is the natural process of all being regardless living or non-living , in short -everything releasing it pollutant back into emptiness . So every thing is buddhism nothing is not Buddhism ...what is your understanding , please share .


Thks


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Why is the pollution not a part of Buddhism?   Or if it is part of Buddhism why should it be released?  Is not our corruption as fundamentally a part of reality as our purity?  Or our toes?
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Why is the pollution not a part of Buddhism?   Or if it is part of Buddhism why should it be released?  Is not our corruption as fundamentally a part of reality as our purity?  Or our toes?
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In my current understanding , Buddhism is a process back into nothingness and any pollutant or energy that cause existance still is part of the process .......anything / everything is part of Buddhism .


Thks


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Then why give it back? If everything is a part of Buddhism and existence is a part of everything and Buddhism is the process of giving giving away existence then isn't Buddhism necessarily the process of giving away Buddhism such that the ultimate expression of Buddhism would be to not follow Buddhism?
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Apr.02.2013
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vertical line If you are studying something that goes back into emptiness and then returns you are studying quantum physics not buddhism. for the question that is at the heart of a buddhist is 'how to live'.
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Apr.02.2013
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vertical line I really like this. I don't know what the heart of Buddhism is but I do find "how to live," particularly as that state stands distinct from simple existence, to be one of Zen's most captivating questions.
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vertical line Quote: "If you are studying something that goes back into emptiness and then returns you are studying quantum physics not buddhism. for the question that is at the heart of a buddhist is 'how to live'."
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all things proclaim the dharma, all things are the dharma

you can try to subdivide whenever you might like but .........
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Apr.02.2013
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Quote: "what is buddhism?"
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In my current understanding , Buddhism is the natural process of all being regardless living or non-living , in short -everything releasing it pollutant back into emptiness . So every thing is buddhism nothing is not Buddhism ...what is your understanding , please share .


Thks


CSEe


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Why is the pollution not a part of Buddhism?   Or if it is part of Buddhism why should it be released?  Is not our corruption as fundamentally a part of reality as our purity?  Or our toes?
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Why is the pollution not a part of Buddhism?   Or if it is part of Buddhism why should it be released?  Is not our corruption as fundamentally a part of reality as our purity?  Or our toes?
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In my current understanding , Buddhism is a process back into nothingness and any pollutant or energy that cause existance still is part of the process .......anything / everything is part of Buddhism .


Thks


CSEe

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Then why give it back? If everything is a part of Buddhism and existence is a part of everything and Buddhism is the process of giving giving away existence then isn't Buddhism necessarily the process of giving away Buddhism such that the ultimate expression of Buddhism would be to not follow Buddhism?"
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Then why give it back? If everything is a part of Buddhism and existence is a part of everything and Buddhism is the process of giving giving away existence then isn't Buddhism necessarily the process of giving away Buddhism such that the ultimate expression of Buddhism would be to not follow Buddhism?
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When you are un-stable , the force will naturally make you stable , not by your choice but that is natural process ...all being will stable in its condition in emptiness and Buddhism is that stabling process . ...........in my current understanding ,Buddhism is not " giving away" existance  but a process naturally leading to no existance ..../ emptiness .

Thks

CSEe

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Quote: "If you are studying something that goes back into emptiness and then returns you are studying quantum physics not buddhism. for the question that is at the heart of a buddhist is 'how to live'."
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Perhaps " quantum physics" is part of Buddhism ..............so what is " not Buddhism" . If you already have in mind what Buddhism MUST BE then Buddhism will always be something you already known .

To my current understanding , everything / everyone regardless living or non-living is Buddhist .

Thks

CSEe

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In my current understanding , Buddhism is the natural process of all being regardless living or non-living , in short -everything releasing it pollutant back into emptiness . So every thing is buddhism nothing is not Buddhism ...what is your understanding , please share .


Thks


CSEe


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Why is the pollution not a part of Buddhism?   Or if it is part of Buddhism why should it be released?  Is not our corruption as fundamentally a part of reality as our purity?  Or our toes?
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Why is the pollution not a part of Buddhism?   Or if it is part of Buddhism why should it be released?  Is not our corruption as fundamentally a part of reality as our purity?  Or our toes?
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In my current understanding , Buddhism is a process back into nothingness and any pollutant or energy that cause existance still is part of the process .......anything / everything is part of Buddhism .


Thks


CSEe

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Then why give it back? If everything is a part of Buddhism and existence is a part of everything and Buddhism is the process of giving giving away existence then isn't Buddhism necessarily the process of giving away Buddhism such that the ultimate expression of Buddhism would be to not follow Buddhism?"
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Then why give it back? If everything is a part of Buddhism and existence is a part of everything and Buddhism is the process of giving giving away existence then isn't Buddhism necessarily the process of giving away Buddhism such that the ultimate expression of Buddhism would be to not follow Buddhism?
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When you are un-stable , the force will naturally make you stable , not by your choice but that is natural process ...all being will stable in its condition in emptiness and Buddhism is that stabling process . ...........in my current understanding ,Buddhism is not " giving away" existance  but a process naturally leading to no existance ..../ emptiness .

Thks

CSEe

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the giving away of cherished ideas of existance
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Apr.02.2013
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vertical line I'm sorry. I am missing the distinction.

"When you are un-stable , the force will naturally make you stable , not by your choice but that is natural process ...all being will stable in its condition in emptiness and Buddhism is that stabling process . ...........in my current understanding ,Buddhism is not " giving away" existance  but a process naturally leading to no existance ..../ emptiness ."

If everything, even the dirt on our feet is Buddhism then isn't un-stableness, instability, a part of Buddhism? If the process of Buddhism is the process towards becoming stable in its condition isn't it necessrily also the process of moving away from being un-stable in its position? Wouldn't that mean that Buddhism then is the process of moving away from Buddhism such that the ultimate expression of Buddhism is to reject Buddhism entirely?

Also, if everything, even to the least of anything is a part of Buddhism then isn't existence also Buddhism? If Buddhism is a process leading naturally to no existence isnt Buddhism necessarily the process of becoming no-Buddhism? Wouldn't that imply that the way then is not to follow Buddhism at all?

Forgive me if my questions seem simple. I find myself lost in the paradox of your words and am only trying to understand.
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Dear Justin , you said "the giving away of cherished ideas of existance" , if possible can you explain further as I dont understand .

Thks

CSEe 

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Dear frozenaomi , thanks alot for your interest in this discussion . You said " Quote: "I'm sorry. I am missing the distinction.

I quote " If everything, even the dirt on our feet is Buddhism then isn't un-stableness, instability, a part of Buddhism? If the process of Buddhism is the process towards becoming stable in its condition isn't it necessrily also the process of moving away from being un-stable in its position? Wouldn't that mean that Buddhism then is the process of moving away from Buddhism such that the ultimate expression of Buddhism is to reject Buddhism entirely?

In my current understanding , all being is in a process leading to emptiness and all being by nature is empty but with the pollutant energy that cause their existance ...yes the " un-stable part is Buddhism as still in the process into emptiness .

Buddhism to my current understanding is a process leading to emptiness and emptiness is the natural nature of all .....emptiness is a universal condition without any existance ........let me explain my understanding by giving you this example . If you are in a airplan and the airplan is heading to Australia ...you are onboard the plan and you need to go to the toilet which is at the back of your seat ...so by moving to the back in reverse direction of the plan will it be making you away from the destination ? You are still in the motion towards Australia no matter how you move in the plan .

All being became " un-stable" due to the process of the nature or their existance . As human , we became " un-stable" by creating more emotions , more desire , more greed , more love , more compassion ........that is our choice , our freedom but regardless all our action or re-action still we are in a process of self realization ...we will see ourselves , understand ourselves and eventually accepted what we are .......so being un-stable is part of a process to be stable , being stable is a challenge to be un-stable ..........no comparison in Buddhism .

Dear Frzenaomi , you said , I quote "Also, if everything, even to the least of anything is a part of Buddhism then isn't existence also Buddhism? If Buddhism is a process leading naturally to no existence isnt Buddhism necessarily the process of becoming no-Buddhism? Wouldn't that imply that the way then is not to follow Buddhism at all?

Forgive me if my questions seem simple. I find myself lost in the paradox of your words and am only trying to understand.
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In my current understanding , yes all process is Buddhism ......as you are free to kill because that will be your suffering or joy , you are free to love as that too will be your joy or suffering .......you exist because existance is part of Buddhism and is also Buddhism will lead to emptiness .............to me there is no comparison in Buddhism even emptiness or existance .

I very thankfull to you for your interest in this discussion . I really hope you could stay and discuss/debate more with me .

CSEe
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vertical line CSEe you said "so being un-stable is part of a process to be stable , being stable is a challenge to be un-stable ..........no comparison in Buddhism ."    I honestly do not understand these words, particularly that second clause.  Would you mind restating it for me? 

Until I understand that part I think the only relevant questions are "is everything equally Buddhism" "is everything equally the _process_ of Buddhism" and "what is the difference between Buddhism and the process of Buddhism?"  I can't really debate.  I have no counter point of view to offer, but I am interested in learning more about yours and everyone's.
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Apr.02.2013
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Dear Frozenaomi , you said " Quote: "CSEe you said "so being un-stable is part of a process to be stable , being stable is a challenge to be un-stable ..........no comparison in Buddhism ."    I honestly do not understand these words, particularly that second clause.  Would you mind restating it for me?  " Un-quote

In my current understanding , " stable verses un-stable" , Right verses wrong" , True verses false" "good verses bad" etc is all human judgemnt based on knowledge as basis of their judgement ...........is human culture ...but in my current understanding , Buddhism is beyond culture / beyond all knowledge .

So condition which you in is you with all your condition , so is you in condition that you accepted whether stable or not........so when you think you are stable , thats is your knowledge but if you attached to that knowledge , you will be un-stable because you had created a " belief" or faith...leading to creation of a "self"......and a cause to another existance ............but if you think you are un-stable , your action / your practice / your intention will constantly towards a more stable condition but still by you will always be the one you think you know.......that will always be un-stable .........

So as long as you think , you have a self , you still have compassion , you still have emotion of love/ greed / will ...you will always exist and joy/sufffering is part of the process of you learning to know you and yourself ..............

by being awake to aware , aware to realize , realize to accept and accept to further aware ......perhaps is taking a less suffer journey into self realization ...the choices is always there .

Buddhism is a process , a natural process in all condition leading to emptiness and if you back into existance , that too is part of Buddhism .

I really hope you could continue discuss with me .

 

You said , I quote " Until I understand that part I think the only relevant questions are "is everything equally Buddhism" "is everything equally the _process_ of Buddhism" and "what is the difference between Buddhism and the process of Buddhism?"  I can't really debate.  I have no counter point of view to offer, but I am interested in learning more about yours and everyone's." un-quote

Indeed I have learned from you from your question or even my answer , thanks .

In my current understanding , all is Buddhism , not equally Buddhism...........because there is nothing outside Buddhism .

Buddhism is the process ..........the only one .

Thks

CSEe
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vertical line "In my current understanding , all is Buddhism , not equally Buddhism...........because there is nothing outside Buddhism ."

So everything is Buddhism? But everything can have differing degrees of Buddhism? Is that a fair restating of what you intended here? Does that mean Buddhism is itself, at times, less Buddhism than Buddhism?
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Apr.03.2013
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This is like dying of thirst in the midst of water.

Find your way

Since all is void
Where can the dust alight?

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Dear Justin , you said "the giving away of cherished ideas of existance" , if possible can you explain further as I dont understand .

Thks

CSEe 

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Buddhism is not " giving away" existance  but a process naturally leading to no existance ..../ emptiness .


I suggest it is not the 'existance' that is the issue, there is nothing you can do about that. however you can give away the preconceived illusionary ideals and 'cherished' opinions of existance.  the idea is just exist (whatever that means) because there is nowhere outside of this existance to be.
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Quote: ""In my current understanding , all is Buddhism , not equally Buddhism...........because there is nothing outside Buddhism ."

So everything is Buddhism? But everything can have differing degrees of Buddhism? Is that a fair restating of what you intended here? Does that mean Buddhism is itself, at times, less Buddhism than Buddhism?
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In my current understanding , yes everything / anything/ all happenings is Buddhism ........all being is in own Buddhism , in own process that never related to each others .....as I am in my process , you in yours or the dirt under my shoe is in its own Buddhism ........I am here to learn more on Buddhism , to realize ............Buddhism is Buddhism with no different perception . Osama Bin Laden is in his learning process to realize his emotions same as Dalai Lama ......in a process freeing its polluted energy same as the dirt ........

When you run in a circle , no one is infront or behind ........a serial killer or Dalai Lama is in each own process - the Buddhism .

Thks

CSEe

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Your words began to tell me something, CSEe.At first look they seems true.However they are wrong.

Right livelihood is to avoiding anything that may cause damaging the 'Don't know mind'.

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So both the anger of the serial killer and the compassion of the Dalai Lama are in the process of Buddhism but are less Buddhist than a broken machiene which neither feels nor does anything? Is that what you mean by the journey to stableness?
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Apr.03.2013
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Right livelihood is to avoiding anything that may cause damaging the 'Don't know mind'." un-quote

Well if based on human culture / knowledge yes you are right ...but Buddhism is beyond knowledge or culture .

You know what is right livelihood and what should be wrong livelihood so as your knowledge increased , your faith / your beliefs increased and your emotions / attachment on " right verses wrong" increased....you are creating more emotions , gaining more " self" ...in my current understanding , Buddhism is a process leading into decreasing the " self" into emptiness but your path is increasing it .You are swimming against the current , trying to resist the natural process and with that you will experience suffer or joy as part of the process .......but regardless what you do , still you are in the river and still will eventually leading into the sea .

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CSEe

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Dear Frozenaomi , you said I quote " So both the anger of the serial killer and the compassion of the Dalai Lama are in the process of Buddhism but are less Buddhist than a broken machiene which neither feels nor does anything? Is that what you mean by the journey to stableness?" Un-quote

In my current understanding , all being is never related . All being is emptiness but exist due to their own polluted energy .....in human , the polluted energy is all emotions / desire / will / greed / love / compassion etc and in the " broken machine" is its nature ......both are in their own process leading into emptiness but never related to each other so there is no comparison . You are in your own learning process to realize / accept ' YOURSELF" so the more you realize yourself , the more you free from your own emotion naturally ....as you progress your desire / love / compassion / emotions will naturally decreased and the more you free from yourself .........the more closer to emptiness .....until you are free of all emotions even the will to exist ......

So all being is in their own process which cant be gauge or compare ............

Thanks alot for this discussion , I indeed learned alot , I hope you could discuss more with me .

Thks

CSEe

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Quote: "I am also curious about football's question. Does the eightfold path have anything to do with Buddhism?"
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In my current understanding , NOTHING is referral to Buddhism nor any text , any teaching including Siddharta , any scriptures or any practice as Buddhism is a ownselves realization / acceptance process .

Knowledge is part of Buddhism , knowledge could provide factor for realization but still is a tiny part of self acceptance ..........so whatever said to be Siddharta's words is a great source of learning to discover ownselves same and equal as the action of a serial killer .

Thks

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Quote: "I am also curious about football's question. Does the eightfold path have anything to do with Buddhism?"
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In my current understanding , NOTHING is referral to Buddhism nor any text , any teaching including Siddharta , any scriptures or any practice as Buddhism is a ownselves realization / acceptance process .


Knowledge is part of Buddhism , knowledge could provide factor for realization but still is a tiny part of self acceptance ..........so whatever said to be Siddharta's words is a great source of learning to discover ownselves same and equal as the action of a serial killer .


Thks


CSEe

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So your Buddhism does not refer to Buddhism? Is this perhaps a quandary of definitions? Would you mind if I started calling it CSEeism just so that myself and others who struggle to use the same name for two completely different things can more easily tell them apart?
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vertical line "In my current understanding , all being is never related . All being is emptiness but exist due to their own polluted energy .....never related to each other so there is no comparison . You are in your own learning process to realize / accept ' YOURSELF" so the more you realize yourself , the more you free from your own emotion naturally"

What exactly do you mean by related? Are my emotions a part from me? How many parts of me are there? If these parts are totally unrelated how can they have any shared identity? Isn't this much like the question of your Buddhism which is not Buddhism? Is a thing itself when stripped of its identifiers? Is a flower with no bloom no scent no plant no cells still a flower? If emotion is a not related part of me won't it necessarily comence its process of becoming a-emotional? Thereby destroying itself?

It seems to me that this theory of the way is much like Leoj's. Do you think so too? Wouldn't this mean that Buddhism Of yours which I call CSEeism simply out of simplicity is in the process of losing all of the attributes of CSEeism and that at the same time each of these attributes are becoming less and less of what they are? It seems to me the spirit of this idea would be to not follow this idea at all. Or is there something I am missing?
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Quote: ""In my current understanding , yes everything / anything/ all happenings is Buddhism ........all being is in own Buddhism , in own process that never related to each others .....as I am in my process , you in yours or the dirt under my shoe is in its own Buddhism ........I am here to learn more on Buddhism , to realize ............Buddhism is Buddhism with no different perception . Osama Bin Laden is in his learning process to realize his emotions same as Dalai Lama ......in a process freeing its polluted energy same as the dirt ........

When you run in a circle , no one is infront or behind ........a serial killer or Dalai Lama is in each own process - the Buddhism .

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CSEe

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I understand why Hui Ko chopped his head.He will live forever

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Right livelihood is to avoiding anything that may cause damaging the 'Don't know mind'." un-quote

Well if based on human culture / knowledge yes you are right ...but Buddhism is beyond knowledge or culture .

You know what is right livelihood and what should be wrong livelihood so as your knowledge increased , your faith / your beliefs increased and your emotions / attachment on " right verses wrong" increased....you are creating more emotions , gaining more " self" ...in my current understanding , Buddhism is a process leading into decreasing the " self" into emptiness but your path is increasing it .You are swimming against the current , trying to resist the natural process and with that you will experience suffer or joy as part of the process .......but regardless what you do , still you are in the river and still will eventually leading into the sea .

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*CSEe*, you said I quote "You are swimming against the current..."

Your words made me scared. As I feel I'm in a flow and a mode.Is there anything I can do to change this?

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I do think I understand some of this however, about everything and nothing. Neither has any real meaning beyond concept. My hand before my face shows me many things but not everything and even the darkness with my hands over my eyes is nothing that even approaches nothingness. Is that in any way relevant?
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I always wanted to be the first drop of blood which droped on the snow when Hui Ko cut his arm.Thats why my fist nickname was lightpink.

Now I feel cold.

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i do not understand this talk of nothingness, i have never seen it never experienced it. those who talk of it are only dreaming of it.


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Dear frozenaomi , you said I quote "So your Buddhism does not refer to Buddhism? Is this perhaps a quandary of definitions? Would you mind if I started calling it CSEeism just so that myself and others who struggle to use the same name for two completely different things can more easily tell them apart?" un-quote

My understanding is part of my realization from Siddharta's word of being awake & emptiness ........it was never belong to me , is your if you accept it , same as Siddharta's words ....if you accept it / realize it then is yours , is becoming who you are but its never belong to you . Human culture creates ownership , human greed to own things , feel ownership on other human , feel ownership on "own body" ,even have faith that the knowledge that they have is theirs ..............

Dear frozenaomi , in my current understanding of Buddhism NOTHING is owned by me nor family , material , knowledge even "my own body".......that is why I always say ' in my current understanding" .....why do you think I said that ? Because that understanding is subject to change .....Buddhism is a process always in motion and always subject to change ......is human ultimate suffering to resist this process ...I really hope you continue debate with me on the topic ....

Thks

CSEe

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Dear frozenaomi , you said I quote "So your Buddhism does not refer to Buddhism? Is this perhaps a quandary of definitions? Would you mind if I started calling it CSEeism just so that myself and others who struggle to use the same name for two completely different things can more easily tell them apart?" un-quote

My understanding is part of my realization from Siddharta's word of being awake & emptiness ........it was never belong to me , is your if you accept it , same as Siddharta's words ....if you accept it / realize it then is yours , is becoming who you are but its never belong to you . Human culture creates ownership , human greed to own things , feel ownership on other human , feel ownership on "own body" ,even have faith that the knowledge that they have is theirs ..............

Dear frozenaomi , in my current understanding of Buddhism NOTHING is owned by me nor family , material , knowledge even "my own body".......that is why I always say ' in my current understanding" .....why do you think I said that ? Because that understanding is subject to change .....Buddhism is a process always in motion and always subject to change ......is human ultimate suffering to resist this process ...I really hope you continue debate with me on the topic ....

Thks

CSEe

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I sense that my first question offended you.  I tried to word is at non-offensively as possible.  I don't mean any kind of criticism, only that the philosophy you describe is inconsistent with the dictionary definition of Buddhism and so I am going to use the term CSEeism not to be pejorative but just to acknowledge that we are talking about something else.  Please take this in the spirit it was intended - solely as an aid to help my clear confusion so that I don't think about what I have read about Buddhism when we talk about your Buddhism because they are incompatible.  That's all. 

Is your own body, whether or not you own it, a part of Buddhism?  Is it on its process of Buddhism?
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Dear frozenaomi , you said I quote " What exactly do you mean by related? Are my emotions a part from me? How many parts of me are there? If these parts are totally unrelated how can they have any shared identity? Isn't this much like the question of your Buddhism which is not Buddhism? Is a thing itself when stripped of its identifiers? Is a flower with no bloom no scent no plant no cells still a flower? If emotion is a not related part of me won't it necessarily comence its process of becoming a-emotional? Thereby destroying itself?

In my current understanding , all being regardless living or non-living is nothingness but exist due its attachment on polluted energy . In human , we are emptiness / nothingness but we exist because of the attachement on polluted energy which is all our emotions / desire / compassion / ego etc that we known as " ourself "...so I am nothingness and myself is all emotions that attached to me causes my existance ..so Buddhism is a natural process that will detached me from myself ......so as we progress into greater realization of this process , we will naturally decreased "ourselves" , decrease of all our emotions until no emotion including the will to exist towards emptiness   .

You said , I quote "It seems to me that this theory of the way is much like Leoj's. Do you think so too? Wouldn't this mean that Buddhism Of yours which I call CSEeism simply out of simplicity is in the process of losing all of the attributes of CSEeism and that at the same time each of these attributes are becoming less and less of what they are? It seems to me the spirit of this idea would be to not follow this idea at all. Or is there something I am missing?" un-quote

Sorry , I do not know Leo's that much .........as we progress into greater realization , all will decreasing as our attachment on ourselves decreases ......we will letting go all of knowledge , sense of belonging , sense of pride etc ......the mind will be more calm as the will not be much thinking ..........

Thks

CSEe

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Dear football , you said I quote " I understand why Hui Ko chopped his head.He will live forever"un-quote

I do not know " Hui ko" story but in my current understanding , nothing is belong to me nor my head or any part of the body .......death / birth is part of the process not as what in our knowledge .

I am learning and perhaps as I progress I will accept it .

Thks

CSEe

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*CSEe*, you said I quote "You are swimming against the current..."

Your words made me scared. As I feel I'm in a flow and a mode.Is there anything I can do to change this?

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In my current understanding , human are all swimming or trying or always finding ways to swim against the current because of their attachement on the polluted energy that known as " self" .............by being awake to aware , aware to realize , realize to accept and accept to further aware , we will find a much smooth journey , much less resistance .....Buddhism is a natural process but we have the choice to accept it ....just like when you are in a airplan flying from USA to Australia , on board the plan you are free to move but anyhow you are still in the journey towards Australia ......

Buddhism is a process realizing you , accepting yourself leading to fredom of yourself into you .........so is a process you naturally accept what you are , what is yourself so if you have desire to change it , you are just creating more self , turning into more suffering .......just awake to aware , aware to realize , realize to accept and continue to aware , thats my current understanding of Buddhism.

Thks

CSEe 

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Quote: "By the way *CSEe* I'm living in a Muslim country and moreover I hate the people where I live.Can this be the cause of "against swimming"?"
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I am living in Malaysia , a Islam country also ......in Buddhism nothing / no one will hurt you even the one kill your love one why ? Because all your suffering , same cas your joy is always cause by YOURSELF ............in Buddhism you are always alone in your on world , with your own will in your own journey ......all others being regardless what they do is a great source for you to learn and discover yourself .

For example , if a killer kill my love one , if this happen to me now I surely find ways to kill him , his action wil makes me suffer of sadness ....why ? Because in my knowledge , my love one is belong to me and his action had cause suffering to my love one and me .....yes that is true in knowledge / in human culture ......and I have such emotion because currently I am still full of polluted energy ....

But in my current understanding on Buddhism concept , the killer need to learn his emotions and his action will teach him , his regret will caused suffering to him after he move into greater realization .....he is causing his own suffering from his action . As for my love one, the killer had create a chance for him to learn , discover his emotion of pain , anger towards the killer . As for me , the killer had provided me a chance to discover my emotion on my love towards my love one , my anger towards the killer ......In my current understanding of Buddhism , is all about learning never teaching ...all being / all happening is a great source of learning towards discovery on ownselves ....Osama action is same and equal as Dalai Lama words as Dalai Lama could learn from Osama action in same manner Osama could learn from Dalai Lama words ........is your choice but regardles your decision , is all will be part of your process towards emptiness- Buddhism.

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CSEe

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Dear frozenaomi , you said I quote " I sense that my first question offended you.  I tried to word is at non-offensively as possible.  I don't mean any kind of criticism, only that the philosophy you describe is inconsistent with the dictionary definition of Buddhism and so I am going to use the term CSEeism not to be pejorative but just to acknowledge that we are talking about something else.  Please take this in the spirit it was intended - solely as an aid to help my clear confusion so that I don't think about what I have read about Buddhism when we talk about your Buddhism because they are incompatible.  That's all.  " un-quote

No , I never offended but it seems common happen to me in Buddhism website .... I currently with this understanding partly due to my realization of Siddharta's two words - awake and emptiness ......I found it so fit in my mind , so easy to understand therefore is what I understand Buddhism .

As for you perhaps you must have your understanding on Buddhism but to me terminology is not important but realization of it . So I hope you could contiue to debate with me base on your understanding ........

You said , I quote " Is your own body, whether or not you own it, a part of Buddhism?  Is it on its process of Buddhism?" un-quote

In my current understanding of Buddhism all being regardless living such as human , animal , plant , micro-orgsm or non-living such as pen , table , rock , dust etc is of SAME and EQUAL being that never related to each other but in each own process leading to emptiness ....time is never exist as each being are in th own path , method , in each own process - Buddhism to free of all its polluted energy into emptiness / back into nothingness ......So I am in my Buddhism , you are in yours , the dirt are in its own Buddhism ....

Thks

CSEe

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Dear frozenaomi , you said I quote " I sense that my first question offended you.  I tried to word is at non-offensively as possible.  I don't mean any kind of criticism, only that the philosophy you describe is inconsistent with the dictionary definition of Buddhism and so I am going to use the term CSEeism not to be pejorative but just to acknowledge that we are talking about something else.  Please take this in the spirit it was intended - solely as an aid to help my clear confusion so that I don't think about what I have read about Buddhism when we talk about your Buddhism because they are incompatible.  That's all.  " un-quote

No , I never offended but it seems common happen to me in Buddhism website .... I currently with this understanding partly due to my realization of Siddharta's two words - awake and emptiness ......I found it so fit in my mind , so easy to understand therefore is what I understand Buddhism .

As for you perhaps you must have your understanding on Buddhism but to me terminology is not important but realization of it . So I hope you could contiue to debate with me base on your understanding ........

You said , I quote " Is your own body, whether or not you own it, a part of Buddhism?  Is it on its process of Buddhism?" un-quote

In my current understanding of Buddhism all being regardless living such as human , animal , plant , micro-orgsm or non-living such as pen , table , rock , dust etc is of SAME and EQUAL being that never related to each other but in each own process leading to emptiness ....time is never exist as each being are in th own path , method , in each own process - Buddhism to free of all its polluted energy into emptiness / back into nothingness ......So I am in my Buddhism , you are in yours , the dirt are in its own Buddhism ....

Thks

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i am curious, you say your understanding  is not based on anything but your understanding--yes?

how did you reach this understanding ?
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Quote: "the 8 fold path is designed to reduce suffering (similar to the idea of vegetarian) even if one does not know self buddha did. and he put these guide lines in place to rreduce the damage (think suffering) for all life. so if you kill it hurts you and the killed, which is you again, no seperation. any behaviour arrising from ignorance puts more suffering in the world potentionally and therefore impededs progress on the path. remember it is not you who progresses but the whole of existance.

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In my current understanding , Buddhism is not specially design to reduce suffering but understanding / acceptance of the concept of Buddhism will eventually makes people to aware and the result is 'less suffering"..........so in short , Buddhism is not specially designed to reduce suffering but it is a natural process not related to Siddharta ..but "less suffering" is one of the side effects .

In my current understanding in knowledge yes is true if you kill me , this will possibly makes you regret of your action and if this happens , you will suffer and your action will hurt me and all my friends and family ....but that is our current human culture / human knowledge .....my current understanding of Buddhism is different .

If you kill me , you are just hurting yourself because you will suffer of regrets after you move into greater realization of yourself ...but as for me , your action provide a great learning lesson for me and my family to discover our emotions on love or anger towards you .....thats is my current understand of Buddhism not accepted by me yet .......because now I still full of pollutants .

In my current understanding , all happening is part of learning lesson for all , if we are awake to aware , aware to realize , realize to accept and accept to further aware , accepting ourselves same and equal with all being , accepting all is a great lesson to discover ourselves ....and as we progress into this realization , we will decreased "ourselves" , decreasing in all our emotions of desire / greed / love / compassion / ego / pride etc ............until there is no emotion / no will even to exist - the emptiness .

I hope you could stay and debate more with me solely for my own learning lesson . I really hope to discover more on myself before I face my coffin and I hope to share my realization with my daughter so that she will living her life "less suffering" on old age / sickness and death ...please share your thought .

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Quote: "cloud
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now what?
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Dear Justin , you said I quote "i am curious, you say your understanding  is not based on anything but your understanding--yes?

how did you reach this understanding ?" Un-quote

Frankly if I tell the actual story , normally I will be banned and this had happens to me more than 5 Buddhism webside ...........Actually when I was 10 years old , I suffered extreme fear on death . I believed at that time if I die CSEe will be lost forever-ever from this world and this makes me so depressed . I was so-so afraid of this , cried every night even hidding under my bed, even dare not to close my eyes at night .....but when I was 18 years old , I experienced a very different feeling on a pretty girl .......I experienced love and somehow from the both extreame emotion of fearing death and love for this pretty girl makes me realize Siddharta 's two words " awake and emptiness".........I never read any Buddhism text but from my years of discussion I realize that there more and more agreement to what said to be his teaching therefore this makes me to accept this as his concept of Buddhism.

To me , he had teach me a great deal of my realization but still in my current understanding he is never related to Buddhism nor he had intention to teach Buddhism to human because from my understanding , Buddhism is impossible to be taught even to Siddharta but could only be learned .

I hope to debate more with you on topic base on your understanmding for my own lerarning process .

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If there is light and dark
if there is east and west
if there is full and empty
if there is good and bad
then it stands to reason that
there is Buddhism and there not Buddhism
How could it be otherwise??

Only by your thinking do you make it so .... hahahaha
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Quote: "  Is There Anything Not Buddhism ?

If there is light and dark
if there is east and west
if there is full and empty
if there is good and bad
then it stands to reason that
there is Buddhism and there not Buddhism
How could it be otherwise??

Only by your thinking do you make it so .... hahahaha
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Hi dear master friend , how are you ? I have realize PERHAPS light and dark , east and west , full or empty is human knowledge from human desire to know things ...from human exploration on others being in order to know them not to learn from them to discover our own ...............all this happening to me PERHAPS is a process of being progressing in their own method , each own journey into emptiness back to nothingness .............so dear Master , all happening is Buddhism - a natural process into emptiness what else is out there beside buddhism , please show me one ...........if you could show me even one , I will forever follow you in whatever faith you in even become monk.....so please show me , what is there not Buddhism ? I seriously hope to discover my friend .

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"into emptiness back to nothingness "

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Quote: "cloud
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now what?
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Whose words are they?

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now what?
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Boryu
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now what? - my question

you and i.
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"into emptiness back to nothingness "


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which is all at once spontaeosly everything.
why talk of nothing.

bleep bleep bleep.
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Dear Justin , you said I quote "i am curious, you say your understanding  is not based on anything but your understanding--yes?

how did you reach this understanding ?" Un-quote

Frankly if I tell the actual story , normally I will be banned and this had happens to me more than 5 Buddhism webside ...........Actually when I was 10 years old , I suffered extreme fear on death . I believed at that time if I die CSEe will be lost forever-ever from this world and this makes me so depressed . I was so-so afraid of this , cried every night even hidding under my bed, even dare not to close my eyes at night .....but when I was 18 years old , I experienced a very different feeling on a pretty girl .......I experienced love and somehow from the both extreame emotion of fearing death and love for this pretty girl makes me realize Siddharta 's two words " awake and emptiness".........I never read any Buddhism text but from my years of discussion I realize that there more and more agreement to what said to be his teaching therefore this makes me to accept this as his concept of Buddhism.

To me , he had teach me a great deal of my realization but still in my current understanding he is never related to Buddhism nor he had intention to teach Buddhism to human because from my understanding , Buddhism is impossible to be taught even to Siddharta but could only be learned .

I hope to debate more with you on topic base on your understanmding for my own lerarning process .

Thks

CSEe

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Thanks for sharing i appreciate the openness, very nice
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Reply from justin
Apr.05.2013
09:16AM EDT 
Email justin
vertical line many men think and think and practice and theorise and in their fierce mental effort they walk past the begger and think it is normal 
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Apr.05.2013
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Reply from frozenaomi
Apr.05.2013
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Apr.05.2013
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The heart of Buddhism is the truth of ones nature and  experiencing this truth.
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Reply from leoj99
Apr.06.2013
02:05AM EDT 
vertical line So what is that truth...?...lol
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Apr.06.2013
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Reply from cinchona
Apr.06.2013
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vertical line Quote: "So what is that truth...?...lol

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what love and compassion comand of us.
what we are looking out our window at.

realization is real love.


HAPPY CHINAMAN OR LAUGHING BUDDHA 
Anyone walking about Chinatowns in America with observe statues of a stout fellow carrying a linen sack. Chinese merchants call him Happy Chinaman or Laughing Buddha.
This Hotei lived in the T'ang dynasty. He had no desire to call himself a Zen master or to gather many disciples about him. Instead he walked the streets with a big sack into which he would put gifts of candy, fruit, or doughnuts. These he would give to children who gathered around him in play. He established a kindergarten of the streets.
Whenever he met a Zen devotee he would extend his hand and say: "Give me one penny." And if anyone asked him to return to a temple to teach others, again he would reply: "Give me one penny."
Once he was about his play-work another Zen master happened along and inquired: "What is the significance of Zen?"
Hotei immediately plopped his sack down on the ground in silent answer.
"Then," asked the other, "what is the actualization of Zen?"
At once the Happy Chinaman swung the sack over his shoulder and continued on his way.
Muju
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Reply from cinchona
Apr.06.2013
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vertical line The truth is so simple even a master looks past it.

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Reply from *CSEe*
Apr.06.2013
07:57AM EDT 
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Perhaps " the truth" is the process leading to emptiness back into nothingness - Buddhism.

Thks

CSEe

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Apr.06.2013
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vertical line perhaps i could draw circles
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Apr.06.2013
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vertical line It is not buddhism... it is ... it....lol
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Apr.06.2013
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vertical line just .. it...
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