Ching Ch'ing, a Chinese Ch'an master, asked a monk:
-What is the sound outside?
The monk answered:
-That is the sound of rain.
The master said:
-Sentient beings are upside down, they lose themselves in pursuit of things.
"Fundamentally, our experience as experienced is not different from the Zen master's. Where we differ is that we place a fog, a particular kind of conceptual overlay onto that experience and then make an emotional investment in that overlay, taking it to be "real" in and of itself."
Quote: "But isn't that what you advocate? How can there be any fuller secession of thinking than death?
No, that isn't what I advocate. The practice is awareness. Sit in calm focus and full awareness. Breathe in and breathe out. When one becomes aware one is not on breathe then return back to breathe. Nothing is forced. Thoughts are let in and let go. There comes a moment when awareness is free of thoughts and emotions. Awareness can then fully reflect what is there. See for yourself. See yourself. .... hahahaha
I believe that Chan or Zen was first started by Bodhidharma. Hui K'o was the second leader of the teachings.
Buddhism was being twisted and turned around by its leaders who did not have the awakening experience of Satori. So, Bodhidharma came to set things back on track. Hui K'o continued this line of teachings and understanding of Buddhism.