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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: THE MIDDLE WAY
vertical line Posted on Apr.14.2013 @ 10:24PM EDT by zenmanstan
welcome to my practice. be good, do no evil, work, give when that arises. amen. lets take things further.


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Reply from leoj99
Apr.15.2013
12:01AM EDT 
vertical line For sure that is not the middle way. It is the extreme way. Good and Evil are both opposite extremes...lol
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Reply from leoj99
Apr.15.2013
12:03AM EDT 
vertical line The middle way is the way that has no opposite...
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Reply from leoj99
Apr.15.2013
04:16AM EDT 
vertical line Note that that is Case 37 on the Momunkan.. the Gateless Gate... collection of 48 koans... and 37 is high and one of the last to tackle by a zen student..

CASE 37. JOSHU'S OAK TREE IN THE GARDEN

A monk asked Joshu, "With what intention did Bodhidharma come to China?" Joshu answered, "The oak tree in the front garden."

Mumon's Comments:
If you grasp Joshu's answer precisely, there is no Shakyamuni Buddha before you and no Maitreya Buddha after you.

Words do not express fact,
Phrases do not reveal the delicate motion of mind.
He who accepts words is lost,
He who adheres to phrases is deluded.


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Reply from leoj99
Apr.15.2013
04:18AM EDT 
vertical line Sorry wrong topic..lol
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Reply from *CSEe*
Apr.15.2013
08:14AM EDT 
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Yes , that is so true to become a better human , creating a better world for all ...but  desire , emotions is to my current understanding is  the causes of existance and
Buddhism is a process naturally decreasing it not further increase it ...

So to me if we have knowledge on what good verses bad , have desire to compare or still have imagination of what is the truth , human will always in the circle of life/death ...human will be the knowledge ......and exist because we still attached to such energy that causes our existance , suffering and joy is part of the experiencs in our existance therefore we will never over suffering ......

Buddhism is awaken to this realization and progress into decreasing "ourselves" naturally NOT by desire or practice .... not to have intention or to creates another or to increase emotions...

Thks

CSEe

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Reply from cinchona
Apr.15.2013
09:21AM EDT 
vertical line Studying the dharma is good, but what constitutes dharma: To do no evil and a great deal of good.
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Reply from Avisitor
Apr.15.2013
09:45AM EDT 
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vertical line Buddha had lots of emotions and still his cycle of life and death and rebirth was at an end.
So, it isn't emotions that keeps one tied down to the cycle of life and death and rebirth.
One can still show ones love for family and loved ones
This doesn't contradict the Buddhas way.
To be filled with love and/ or compassion is to be human
And only by being human can one have the opportunity to end the cycle of life and death and rebirth.

Ones doesn't have to give up on love to find your own true nature.
Ones doesn't have to renounce all worldly possessions to find Nirvana.
There is the middle way ....
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Reply from cinchona
Apr.15.2013
09:54AM EDT 
vertical line Be loving and practical.
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Reply from zenmanstan
Apr.15.2013
11:52PM EDT 
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vertical line middle way - practising dharma without  any troubles
service leads to energy, energy leads to work, work leads to love, love leads to knowing, knowing leads to liberation, liberation leads to attaining the Soul
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Reply from leoj99
Apr.16.2013
03:46AM EDT 
vertical line The middle way is the way that has no opposite. The way beyond good and bad, beyond positive and negative, beyond yes and no, beyond emptiness and form, beyond oneness and duality...lol
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Reply from leoj99
Apr.16.2013
03:47AM EDT 
vertical line So who has found that way...?
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Reply from football
Apr.16.2013
04:04AM EDT 
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vertical line you mean not even "oneness"?
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Reply from cinchona
Apr.16.2013
09:01AM EDT 
vertical line Let me tell you about the middle path.

Dressing in rough and dirty garments, letting your hair grow matted,
abstaining from eating any meat or fish, does not clean the one who is deluded.
Mortifying the flesh through excessive hardship does not lead to a triumph over the
senses. All self-inflicted suffering is useless as long as the feeling of self dominant.

You should lose your involvement with yourself and then eat and drink naturally,
according to the needs of your body. Attachment to your appetites - whether you
deprive or indulge - can lead to slavery, but satifying the needs of daily life is not wrong.
Indeed, to keep a body in good health is a duty, for otherwise the mind will not stay trong and clear.
This is the middle path.

From "Discourse II"
Edited by Anne Bancroft
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Reply from leoj99
Apr.18.2013
03:50AM EDT 
vertical line You mean the middle way is eating and drinking?
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Reply from leoj99
Apr.18.2013
03:51AM EDT 
vertical line But that still have an opposite... not eating and not drinking...lol
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Reply from cinchona
Apr.18.2013
06:04AM EDT 
vertical line You must eat and drink and sleep and go to the toilet.
This is part of the life experience.

Water is water whether you drink from a golden jug or a clay pot.
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Reply from Avisitor
Apr.18.2013
10:14AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "But that still have an opposite... not eating and not drinking...lol "
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Thinking ... in opposites??
That brings duality not oneness??
Maybe you should stop your thinking mind??? .... hahahaha
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