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  Posted on Aug.01.2009 @ 09:07PM EDT by chontri

Not to be reached by traveling is the end of the world,
Yet there is no release from sorrow
Unless you reach the end of the world.

The one who is wise and lives... continue...

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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: A KOAN FOR LEOJ99
vertical line Posted on May.09.2013 @ 03:11AM EDT by esoteric
Why are there leaves on the trees in winter, and no leaves on the trees in summer?
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Reply from leoj99
May.09.2013
03:14AM EDT 
vertical line What kind of koan is that?..lol
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Reply from esoteric
May.09.2013
03:16AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "What kind of koan is that?..lol "
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One that either you can answer, or that you cannot answer.

If you can't answer, it's okay. You can just say, "I don't know."
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Reply from leoj99
May.09.2013
03:21AM EDT 
vertical line Are you sure you know the answer yourself?
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Reply from leoj99
May.09.2013
03:22AM EDT 
vertical line Even if it is your creation you may not know the answer..lol.

You can invent your own koan too...? ..lol
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Reply from esoteric
May.09.2013
03:25AM EDT 
vertical line So, you don't know the answer. That's okay.

Maybe you will find it in the East.
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Reply from esoteric
May.09.2013
03:33AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Even if it is your creation you may not know the answer..lol.

You can invent your own koan too...? ..lol
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I didn't invent or create the koan. I know the answer. I'm reading it right now.

HINT: It is not on Google.
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Reply from cinchona
May.09.2013
03:41AM EDT 
vertical line what is one drop of water from keshu mountain?

it is one drop of water from keshu mountain.

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is there going to be a war over it?
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Reply from esoteric
May.09.2013
07:20PM EDT 
vertical line So no one understands this koan?


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Reply from esoteric
May.09.2013
07:21PM EDT 
vertical line It's just a simple question. I thought leoj99 would be able to answer it.
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May.09.2013
08:06PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Even if it is your creation you may not know the answer..lol.

You can invent your own koan too...? ..lol
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I didn't invent or create the koan. I know the answer. I'm reading it right now.

HINT: It is not on Google.
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If you are reading the answer then that is not the true answer .... hahaha
Answers to koans are for the opened mind to contemplate.
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May.09.2013
08:11PM EDT 
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vertical line What I don't understand is why no one here is talking about their practice or efforts to become liberated.
Is it too personal?
Are we all afraid of being judged?? And judged less than where we want to be??
Vanity?? Pride?? Stuff that keeps us down??
So we set riddles for one another to solve??
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May.09.2013
09:18PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "What I don't understand is why no one here is talking about their practice or efforts to become liberated.
Is it too personal?
Are we all afraid of being judged?? And judged less than where we want to be??
Vanity?? Pride?? Stuff that keeps us down??
So we set riddles for one another to solve??
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I you go through the archives you will see years of my practice outlined.


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May.09.2013
09:20PM EDT 
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i think this one has someones name all over it, he is contemplating it right now :)
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May.09.2013
09:28PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "What I don't understand is why no one here is talking about their practice or efforts to become liberated.
Is it too personal?
Are we all afraid of being judged?? And judged less than where we want to be??
Vanity?? Pride?? Stuff that keeps us down??
So we set riddles for one another to solve??
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I have talked about my practice, and so have others.

If you want a current discussion about practice, we can start a new thread. I would be happy to talk about it, and hear about others' practice.
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Reply from esoteric
May.09.2013
09:30PM EDT 
vertical line Talking to others in a Zen forum is practice. Learning how to converse, and understanding what happens when we do. That is a good practice.
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May.09.2013
10:01PM EDT 
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vertical line Sorry, I apologize to those who think I have crossed the line.
I am just tired of this endless .... meditation
Consciousness conditioned by ignorance

I am just weary. Forgive me my self indulgence.
Wallowing in self pity. Desperate for the last leap of inspiration.
I feel it so close and yet ... infinitely so far away.

This place had been a refuge. There were some who actually helped.
But, now, I feel I am at a point where something must give.
So, again my apologizes for my out burst.
In my stupidity, I said things I regret.

Good bye
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May.09.2013
11:31PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Even if it is your creation you may not know the answer..lol.

You can invent your own koan too...? ..lol
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I didn't invent or create the koan. I know the answer. I'm reading it right now.

HINT: It is not on Google.
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If you are reading the answer then that is not the true answer .... hahaha
Answers to koans are for the opened mind to contemplate.
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Yeah he said he can read the answer but its not on Google. lol

Answers to koans are never written even on the sky...lol
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May.09.2013
11:34PM EDT 
vertical line Why are you apologizing dude?...lol
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May.10.2013
12:45AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Why are you apologizing dude?...lol "
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He's apologizing because you still haven't answered the koan.
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May.10.2013
12:52AM EDT 
vertical line What koan... Is there a koan?...lol
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May.10.2013
12:56AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "What koan... Is there a koan?...lol "
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Yes, the one you avoid admitting you don't understand.
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May.10.2013
12:59AM EDT 
vertical line Leaves on trees in winter.
No leaves on trees in summer.
Why is this so?
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May.10.2013
01:06AM EDT 
vertical line Still no one has bothered to discuss the koan, or offer any insight whatever to its meaning. Really, guys...it is not that complicated or difficult.
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May.10.2013
01:07AM EDT 
vertical line Just look at it. What is it about?
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Reply from leoj99
May.10.2013
02:27AM EDT 
vertical line You are just thinking too much..lol... stop thinking and the problem is eliminated..lol..
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Reply from cinchona
May.10.2013
04:10AM EDT 
vertical line I don't know the answer to the koan, but i do know that the trees in my yard have leaves all year round, except for two stone fruit trees and they start regrowing in the middle of winter. So i guess the answer could be that they don't.
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May.10.2013
04:18AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "You are just thinking too much..lol... stop thinking and the problem is eliminated..lol.. "
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Still no answer. Still a big problem.
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May.10.2013
04:30AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "I don't know the answer to the koan, but i do know that the trees in my yard have leaves all year round, except for two stone fruit trees and they start regrowing in the middle of winter. So i guess the answer could be that they don't."
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Here it's spring, the 10th of May. The trees outside are full of leaves. That's all I can say about them right now. Much more could be said, remembered, imagined. Looking at the trees, just seeing.
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May.10.2013
04:31AM EDT 
vertical line No right or wrong. Just seeing. What do you see?
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May.10.2013
04:32AM EDT 
vertical line I didn't tell the answer, by the way.

Why are there leaves on the trees in winter, and no leaves on the trees in summer?
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May.10.2013
05:17AM EDT 
vertical line The question is not always right.
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May.10.2013
08:03AM EDT 
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Why are there leaves on the trees in winter, and no leaves on the trees in summer?
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i could get all botanical on this and explain the allocation of resouces,

but i think i will go with just because

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May.10.2013
08:04AM EDT 
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May.10.2013
08:04AM EDT 
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May.10.2013
08:04AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "I didn't tell the answer, by the way.

Why are there leaves on the trees in winter, and no leaves on the trees in summer?
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i could get all botanical on this and explain the allocation of resouces,

but i think i will go with just because

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:-)
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