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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: ZEN PHILOSOPHIES, ZEN IDEAS
vertical line Posted on May.14.2013 @ 11:35PM EDT by leoj99
Zen Philosophies, Zen Ideas.

Almost all I noticed that those who are talking about Zen are talking about Zen philosophies and Zen ideas. And they do so with so many long dissertation about Zen. They even write books on Zen philosophies.

Wondering if they don't even realize the fact that Zen is not a philosophy, much less ideas. So even if they spew a billion words about the Zen philosophy, it would be worthless since Zen is not a philosophy, not an idea.

So they are just spewing garbage...lol

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Reply from leoj99
May.14.2013
11:36PM EDT 
vertical line What a waste of time and energy...lol
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Reply from cinchona
May.15.2013
12:23AM EDT 
vertical line Let words be words and philosophy be philosophy why pull it apart, everything becomes complicated when you look at it closely, even a dot on the wall, many people devote their lives to study of one sort or another, we cannot simply say their wrong and i'm right. Let it be what it is, if it is in peaceful intention than i see no problem, talk away, write away, sing, dance, and spread peace.
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Reply from leoj99
May.15.2013
03:17AM EDT 
vertical line How can they say so many things about Zen when the basic fact of Zen, that it is not philosophy, it is not idea, does not even sink in their heads...lol
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Reply from esoteric
May.15.2013
03:18AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "What a waste of time and energy...lol "
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Waste of time and energy for you, yes. You should do something more useful, like learn how to get along with people. And if you can't do that, do something else useful like go wash the dishes.
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Reply from leoj99
May.15.2013
03:19AM EDT 
vertical line This is what the talks in Zen Forums are all about, about Zen philosophy, zen ideas...lol
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Reply from esoteric
May.15.2013
03:24AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "This is what the talks in Zen Forums are all about, about Zen philosophy, zen ideas...lol "
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Except for this one.
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Reply from leoj99
May.15.2013
03:47AM EDT 
vertical line I get along with people well. They are the ones who are not getting along with me...lol
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Reply from esoteric
May.15.2013
03:53AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "I get along with people well. They are the ones who are not getting along with me...lol "
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I'm sorry. That must feel very painful and isolating for you.
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Reply from esoteric
May.15.2013
03:55AM EDT 
vertical line You might consider that there are people who try very hard to get along with you, but that you yourself don't make it very easy for them.
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Reply from leoj99
May.15.2013
04:19AM EDT 
vertical line Really? Why? They don't like what I say? They expect me to just say what they want?
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Reply from leoj99
May.15.2013
04:19AM EDT 
vertical line And polish their egos...lol
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Reply from leoj99
May.15.2013
04:20AM EDT 
vertical line No way...lol
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Reply from esoteric
May.15.2013
04:28AM EDT 
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Really? Why? They don't like what I say? They expect me to just say what they want?

And polish their egos...lol

No way...lol
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There are your horns. Don't complain when people tell you to stop goring them.

Practicing being helpful is a good way to eliminate those horns. Washing dishes is a good grindstone.
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Reply from justin
May.15.2013
04:53AM EDT 
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Really? Why? They don't like what I say? They expect me to just say what they want?

And polish their egos...lol

No way...lol
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Leo, is happy when every one agrees with him, when everyone says exactly what Leo  likes, If everyone polishes Leos horns and ego it will be ok,

haha loop,


haha you have no idea about peoples practice you ignore that little idea loop,


keep on ignoring it makes you happy, loop


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May.15.2013
04:57AM EDT 
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Leo doesnt get along with people but it is their fault i bet you  been saying this one to yourself for many many years, loop


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Reply from football
May.15.2013
05:07AM EDT 
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vertical line Leoj is doing fine.You can find his way of thinking in this thread.He's living to extinguish all ideas about Zen.I'm watching him and he's going very well.congratulations to him.and his way of looking..
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Reply from esoteric
May.15.2013
05:18AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Leoj is doing fine.You can find his way of thinking in this thread.He's living to extinguish all ideas about Zen.I'm watching him and he's going very well.congratulations to him.and his way of looking.."
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Except that the very idea of extinguishing all ideas about Zen has him in it's firm grip. "His way of thinking", as you say, makes him ignore his way of thinking.
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Reply from esoteric
May.15.2013
05:24AM EDT 
vertical line Everybody just has to be their own self, whatever that may be. It's alright, it all works out in the end.
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Reply from cinchona
May.15.2013
05:57AM EDT 
vertical line Buddhism is essentially about finding peace, and its because so many people have so many different understandings and obstacles in their vision that zen has developed on many different levels. Teaching us to abandon thoughts so we can abandon harmful thoughts, by becoming empty through nonattachment to our own ideas we can then see clear what is good and what is bad.

There are so many different zen and pure land methods, some we will understand other we may need to think about a bit more and others will be very clear to us. The point is if you wish to develop understanding than you must always keep your mind open to learning.
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Reply from leoj99
May.16.2013
01:00AM EDT 
vertical line Have any of you eaten grass yet? How about trying and you may be able to forget all you philosophies and ideas about Zen...lol
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May.16.2013
01:58AM EDT 
vertical line Grass grows very fast on concrete....lol
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Reply from cinchona
May.16.2013
02:38AM EDT 
vertical line All those gurus, and lamas are teaching us to be kind and caring to ourselves and others, so that everyone can experience the joy and peace that comes from being kind. It seems there is a great lack of it in the world and they can see the great benefits of it.

You don't have to suffer with the world, you can smile and manifest for yourself and those around you some real happinness it's not always easy but it is always worth it. i've seen it, i've felt it, i feel very sorry for those who have not, they are missing a great deal in life. I pray for their happinness.
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Reply from esoteric
May.16.2013
04:03AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Have any of you eaten grass yet? How about trying and you may be able to forget all you philosophies and ideas about Zen...lol "
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Which philosophies and ideas are you talking about?
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May.16.2013
04:03AM EDT 
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That's what you think.
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May.16.2013
04:29AM EDT 
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Grass just grows how grass grows, wherever it grows.
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May.17.2013
12:36AM EDT 
vertical line I don't think anyone understands what grass is I am talking about...lol
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Reply from esoteric
May.17.2013
04:10AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "I don't think anyone understands what grass is I am talking about...lol "
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Grass is grass. If you're talking about something else, then just speak plainly, or try to clarify what you're talking about.
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Reply from leoj99
May.18.2013
02:47AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "I don't think anyone understands what grass is I am talking about...lol "
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Grass is grass. If you're talking about something else, then just speak plainly, or try to clarify what you're talking about.
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Of course there is no grass that can grow on concrete. Grass is a metaphor for thoughts that can sprout anywhere even on concrete...lol
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May.18.2013
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "I don't think anyone understands what grass is I am talking about...lol "
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Grass is grass. If you're talking about something else, then just speak plainly, or try to clarify what you're talking about.
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Of course there is no grass that can grow on concrete. Grass is a metaphor for thoughts that can sprout anywhere even on concrete...lol
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Go eat grass.
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Reply from leoj99
May.18.2013
03:36AM EDT 
vertical line Yeah you can eat grass but it cannot grow on concrete...lol
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Reply from esoteric
May.18.2013
03:40AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Yeah you can eat grass but it cannot grow on concrete...lol "
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I'm not trying to make grass grow on concrete.

When eating grass, just eat grass.
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Reply from cinchona
May.18.2013
03:55AM EDT 
vertical line potted gardens are nice.
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Reply from football
May.25.2013
10:58AM EDT 
Email football
vertical line When eating grass, just eat grass.
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