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vertical line Posted on May.24.2013 @ 06:34AM EDT by football
Can you surpass the truth?
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Reply from esoteric
May.24.2013
12:35PM EDT 
vertical line What did you want to discuss?
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May.24.2013
12:45PM EDT 
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vertical line Your history
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Reply from esoteric
May.24.2013
01:28PM EDT 
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What about it?
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Reply from football
May.24.2013
07:41PM EDT 
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vertical line You say  :)
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Reply from leoj99
May.25.2013
01:43AM EDT 
vertical line Autistic topic and posts?...lol
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Reply from esoteric
May.25.2013
05:23AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Autistic topic and posts?...lol "
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Perhaps you should spend more time with real people who have autism. They have a lot to teach, though their lessons are very difficult and sometimes painful to learn. Do you have that kind of courage?
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Reply from justin
May.25.2013
05:24AM EDT 
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stupid, autistic, most people........., personal attacks which just show inadequacies
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Reply from esoteric
May.25.2013
05:29AM EDT 
vertical line You could spend time with people without much education as well, and with people who have mental illness.

Perhaps after you have learned all that they have to teach, you will come to have a respect for them and for all human beings that will make you not call people stupid, insane, and autistic with such disdain.
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Reply from esoteric
May.25.2013
05:32AM EDT 
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Perhaps you should spend more time with real people who have autism. They have a lot to teach, though their lessons are very difficult and sometimes painful to learn. Do you have that kind of courage?

You could spend time with people without much education as well, and with people who have mental illness.

Perhaps after you have learned all that they have to teach, you will come to have a respect for them and for all human beings that will make you not call people stupid, insane, and autistic with such disdain."

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This is me, showing you your horns.
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Reply from esoteric
May.25.2013
05:35AM EDT 
vertical line This is me, eating grass.
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May.25.2013
05:35AM EDT 
vertical line My history.
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Reply from football
May.25.2013
05:47AM EDT 
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vertical line I have mental illness.I haven't hide this.
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Reply from justin
May.25.2013
06:02AM EDT 
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well said foot,
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Reply from esoteric
May.25.2013
06:21AM EDT 
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well said foot,
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All three of us have admitted to that.

I no longer have acute mental illness. Some years of practicing zazen, learning from you friends in this forum, and working with people in my life around me, I am now functioning rather independently, and with significant health, wellness, and clarity. (I had a good psychologist who helped greatly, but I stopped seeing him a year ago, when I reached the point when his only recommendation was medication.)

I have come to understand that ALL human beings have mental illness, and that it manifests differently for different people. Normally, we only label it "mental illness" if our condition keeps us from being able to live and work without much assistance from others. However, my perspective now is that even living and working without much assistance from others is a kind of mental illness that makes people ignore the suffering of others.

Anyway, my practice, and the Zen of my practice, have been very invaluable in helping me to grow stronger and more helpful to others these last few years.

I thank you friends for all that you've done and been as part of that helping, as well.
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May.25.2013
06:22AM EDT 
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May.25.2013
10:10AM EDT 
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Reply from leoj99
May.25.2013
04:40PM EDT 
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well said foot,
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All three of us have admitted to that.

I no longer have acute mental illness. Some years of practicing zazen, learning from you friends in this forum, and working with people in my life around me, I am now functioning rather independently, and with significant health, wellness, and clarity. (I had a good psychologist who helped greatly, but I stopped seeing him a year ago, when I reached the point when his only recommendation was medication.)

I have come to understand that ALL human beings have mental illness, and that it manifests differently for different people. Normally, we only label it "mental illness" if our condition keeps us from being able to live and work without much assistance from others. However, my perspective now is that even living and working without much assistance from others is a kind of mental illness that makes people ignore the suffering of others.

Anyway, my practice, and the Zen of my practice, have been very invaluable in helping me to grow stronger and more helpful to others these last few years.

I thank you friends for all that you've done and been as part of that helping, as well.
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Always thinking is the great mental illness...lol
So what do you think?...
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Reply from leoj99
May.25.2013
04:45PM EDT 
vertical line Wondering why most people can't give themselves a break from thinking...lol

I tell them to stop thinking and give themselves a break from always thinking and they get mad...lol.

Wondering why?... What do they get from always thinking.. mental illness...lol
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Reply from leoj99
May.25.2013
05:22PM EDT 
vertical line People cannot even see that that is the most compassionate thing to do ... to tell people to stop thinking .. to have mercy to themselves ... for if they cannot do it ... no one can help them... they always self flagellate... inflicting suffering and pain to themselves...
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Reply from leoj99
May.25.2013
05:26PM EDT 
vertical line Isn't it that what the Buddha saw when he got enlightened?... Thinking people ... mental illness...lol
That is the suffering...lol
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Reply from leoj99
May.25.2013
05:48PM EDT 
vertical line It is not other people that will make them suffer. It is self flagellation...lol... inflicting suffering to themselves... tell them to stop and they get mad...lol
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Reply from cinchona
May.25.2013
05:49PM EDT 
vertical line Leo the master of zen, enlightenment, compassion, a religious guru of all religions, a teacher of the way, brilliant clever and all inspiring.

Have i missed anything?

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Reply from leoj99
May.25.2013
05:52PM EDT 
vertical line Because they have no self-steem of their own. Their self-steem always depends on others. They cannot be dependent on themselves alone...lol
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Reply from esoteric
May.26.2013
02:33AM EDT 
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well said foot,
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All three of us have admitted to that.

I no longer have acute mental illness. Some years of practicing zazen, learning from you friends in this forum, and working with people in my life around me, I am now functioning rather independently, and with significant health, wellness, and clarity. (I had a good psychologist who helped greatly, but I stopped seeing him a year ago, when I reached the point when his only recommendation was medication.)

I have come to understand that ALL human beings have mental illness, and that it manifests differently for different people. Normally, we only label it "mental illness" if our condition keeps us from being able to live and work without much assistance from others. However, my perspective now is that even living and working without much assistance from others is a kind of mental illness that makes people ignore the suffering of others.

Anyway, my practice, and the Zen of my practice, have been very invaluable in helping me to grow stronger and more helpful to others these last few years.

I thank you friends for all that you've done and been as part of that helping, as well.
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Always thinking is the great mental illness...lol
So what do you think?...
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I think that laughing at other people's suffering is mental illness.

I think that telling people what they are doing wrong without telling them how to correct it is mental illness.
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May.26.2013
02:35AM EDT 
vertical line Not being able to respond to what people actually say, but instead repeating the same negative thing over and over again is mental illness.
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May.26.2013
02:35AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Because they have no self-steem of their own. Their self-steem always depends on others. They cannot be dependent on themselves alone...lol "
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Have a cup of tea, leoj99.
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May.26.2013
02:42AM EDT 
vertical line Thats my style man... I don't like other people's style...lol
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May.26.2013
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Telling people what YOU THINK they are doing wrong without telling them how to correct it is mental illness.
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Reply from leoj99
May.26.2013
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vertical line I don't want to be a copycat of the meek and mild but have horns...lol
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May.26.2013
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That makes for a long life of not liking, then. How unfortunate for you.
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May.26.2013
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I did!!!... Where have you been?.. I always repeat ....stop thinking .....over and over again and again...lol
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May.26.2013
02:51AM EDT 
vertical line The thing is you never listen. You don't want to listen...lol
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May.26.2013
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No instead you would rather be an internet troll.

That's okay. There is only one way to help an internet troll, and that is to not feed it.

Good luck to you, leoj99.
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Reply from esoteric
May.26.2013
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Don't feed the Troll

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“”if you spend a great deal of your time pretending to be an *** to get a reaction from people...you aren't pretending. You are an ***.

Ed Brayton[1]

Although originally a non-offensive reference to fishing by trolling for input/feedback on ideas, people quickly viewed this as spam which led to personal attacks later leading to the more common and largely incorrect view that a troll, in Internetspeak, refers to an entity which involves itself in discussions purely for the purpose of disturbing other users and making itself feel important. Because trolls take away from productive work, the standard response is to starve the troll of attention by ignoring it and going about your usual business.

Is it really that prevalent? See for yourself.

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[edit] Characteristics

A troll usually has little or no interest in contributing to the development of the site in question and is interested in :

  • Deliberately angering people.
  • Breaking the normal flow of debate/discussion.
  • Disrupting the smooth operation of the site.
  • Deliberately being annoying for the sake of being obnoxious. For instance, using abusive names to refer to all the members on the site.
  • Making itself the main topic of interest or discussion.[2]

[edit] Motives

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Save a goat, starve a troll!

It is probable that, for the troll, the last point is the most important. To this end it will post deliberately inflammatory messages which generate inflammatory responses; complain about being the victim of the inflammatory responses; endeavor to obtain allies against the discrimination it feels; turn on those same allies, etc. etc. The whole objective of the exercise is to disrupt or make someone do something you wanted them to do for laughs.

If a poster begins to post comments along the lines of, “Can’t you see how stupid you all are?” or “I keep laughing at all of you,” there is high probability that the poster is a troll.

[edit] Treatment

Because the troll feeds on having its name mentioned or by generating debate or ill feeling, many internet users either ignore the troll completely or respond with the phrase, “Don’t Feed the Troll".
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May.26.2013
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No instead you would rather be an internet troll.

That's okay. There is only one way to help an internet troll, and that is to not feed it.

Good luck to you, leoj99.
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Yeah they always label me as internet troll...lol
Because I don't like to say what they want to hear...lol
Why should I? Don't want to polish the egos of eggheads...lol
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May.26.2013
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May.26.2013
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May.26.2013
03:24AM EDT 
vertical line In the other spiritual chat they always threw me out. They always see me as a troll. They say I disturb them from their great discussions ....lol... I disturb them from the peace...lol
But then I do that because what they are talking about is the same they were talking for more than 2 decades...lol..
So what can I do....lol
 
Now I feel is is hopeless so I banned myself in going there...lol

Even if I don't go there anymore I know what they are talking about.. the same as for another 30 years until they all die... many have already died... most of them healers...
but they were not able to heal themselves...so pathetic.. so it is hopeless...lol
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May.26.2013
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vertical line Quote: "In the other spiritual chat they always threw me out. They always see me as a troll. They say I disturb them from their great discussions ....lol... I disturb them from the peace...lol
But then I do that because what they are talking about is the same they were talking for more than 2 decades...lol..
So what can I do....lol
 
Now I feel is is hopeless so I banned myself in going there...lol

Even if I don't go there anymore I know what they are talking about.. the same as for another 30 years until they all die... many have already died... most of them healers...
but they were not able to heal themselves...so pathetic.. so it is hopeless...lol
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And here you are.
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May.26.2013
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vertical line I am also surprised why in Zen Forums they consider me as a troll as some other Spiritual Chats...lol

I thought in Zen Forums people are more open minded but I think they are the same...lol

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May.26.2013
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vertical line Quote: "I am also surprised why in Zen Forums they consider me as a troll as some other Spiritual Chats...lol

I thought in Zen Forums people are more open minded but I think they are the same...lol

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Are you open minded?
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May.26.2013
03:31AM EDT 
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A troll usually has little or no interest in contributing to the development of the site in question and is interested in :

  • Deliberately angering people.
  • Breaking the normal flow of debate/discussion.
  • Disrupting the smooth operation of the site.
  • Deliberately being annoying for the sake of being obnoxious. For instance, using abusive names to refer to all the members on the site.
  • Making itself the main topic of interest or discussion.
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May.26.2013
03:31AM EDT 
vertical line Of course that is why I don't copy other people's words...lol
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May.26.2013
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vertical line Because they cannot depend on their own words...lol
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May.26.2013
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vertical line People who mouth other people's words are not open minded...lol
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May.26.2013
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Thinking.
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May.26.2013
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More thinking.
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May.26.2013
03:33AM EDT 
vertical line Try again. Are you open minded?
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May.26.2013
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May.26.2013
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More thinking.
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May.26.2013
03:39AM EDT 
vertical line Leoj99 thinks he is open minded.

Is he? Or isn't he?
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May.26.2013
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May.26.2013
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May.26.2013
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i have not heard a original word from you since you are here ?

i hear many mouldy old dead mens theories, and a lot of evidence to the contrary of what you proclaim, (i am not saying there is not truth in the contents)

Esoteric has been very kind to you and offers you many chances to explain none of which you take, and you use silly arguments to mask real intention.

you may not realise but you are clear as water.

you mistake my sarcasm and respond positively because you imagine i am appealing to you and respond with the greatest energy you have been able to muster, and then say you dont care about what others say.
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May.26.2013
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May.26.2013
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A troll usually has little or no interest in contributing to the development of the site in question and is interested in :

  • Deliberately angering people.
  • Breaking the normal flow of debate/discussion.
  • Disrupting the smooth operation of the site.
  • Deliberately being annoying for the sake of being obnoxious. For instance, using abusive names to refer to all the members on the site.
  • Making itself the main topic of interest or discussion.
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May.26.2013
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vertical line The whole objective of the exercise is to disrupt or make someone do something you wanted them to do for laughs

Because the troll feeds on having its name mentioned or by generating debate or ill feeling, many internet users either ignore the troll completely or respond with the phrase, “Don’t Feed the Troll".
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May.26.2013
07:16AM EDT 
vertical line A discussion is conversation between people in their own words.

When anyone repeats the same thing over and over ("stop thinking"), and repeats the same insults over and  over ("I think you are autistic") for the admitted purpose of making people angry ("I am trying to show you your horns"), that is not discussion in one's own words. It's baiting people for feeding that person's ego, by avoiding having to discuss anything and thereby avoiding feeling anything or putting forth any effort to grow, change, or understand.

So, when someone does that, there is no discussion, and their empty behavior deserves no valid response.

Children who do this get sent to sit by themselves until they can learn how to use words to get along with others.

Internet forum users who do this may get banned, or ignored.
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May.26.2013
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vertical line leoj99 knows that he is full of thinking. He knows that he doesn't really understand. He knows that he repeats himself over and over because he has nothing original to say.He knows that he doesn't know who or what he is.

He knows that he can't do anything to stop this repeated behavior.

And it scares the crap out of him.
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May.26.2013
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May.26.2013
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vertical line leoj99 always says "stop thinking" because he wants himself to stop thinking.

He calls people stupid, autisic, insane, and hopeless because these are his worst fears ABOUT HIMSELF.

So actually, his speech is his original speech. It is disturbing that it never changes, because we know when we see it that it comes from that place of fear and hopelessness, and we'd like to do something to help. But anyone's kindness and advice and pushing and listening will never be enough to make that change by itself.

leoj99 has to keep practicing until he can CHANGE HIMSELF.

Until then, every amount of honesty, love, joy, compassion, and hope that we can offer is important. They are the gifts that will do away with fear, anger, and hopelessness. Every time.
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May.26.2013
02:45PM EDT 
vertical line Although, it may take a long, long time for that to happen. No matter how long it takes, we can learn to practice not only those things (joy, compassion, etc.), but we can learn to practice them with growing strength, patience, and perseverance.

That is our practice.
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May.26.2013
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May.26.2013
07:45PM EDT 
vertical line Lots of fireworks...lol.. exactly thats the point...lol
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May.26.2013
07:46PM EDT 
vertical line So now who is the real troll...lol...
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May.26.2013
07:47PM EDT 
vertical line You cannot really hide your real color now...lol
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May.26.2013
07:49PM EDT 
vertical line I think you are the real troll hiding is sheep skin and tame and holy and all that thing... but now you are showing the real you...lol
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May.26.2013
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May.26.2013
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May.26.2013
10:16PM EDT 
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Oh, my friend, there is nothing safe and tame about the truth.
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May.26.2013
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May.26.2013
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I'm not sure where you ever got the idea that I'm meek and holy. I'm just a man, living this life the best that I can, like anyone else. I don't like pain or suffering, and I don't like seeing other people in pain or suffering. So I do what I can about that, wherever I am, trying to cultivate honesty, joy, compassion, understanding, and hope. Far from meek, far from holy. There is no merit in it other than what it is.
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Reply from leoj99
May.26.2013
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Oh, my friend, there is nothing safe and tame about the truth.
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Hahaha.. there is nothing safe and tame about the truth...lol..
So the truth is unsafe and untame?...lol

And since when did I become your friend? ...lol
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May.27.2013
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Oh, my friend, there is nothing safe and tame about the truth.
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Hahaha.. there is nothing safe and tame about the truth...lol..
So the truth is unsafe and untame?...lol

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There was no "so" or "therefore" or "consequently" there.
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There was no "become" there, either.
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May.27.2013
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To me , all existance , the journey in existance and the end of existance is the truth ...and that truth is named Buddhism ......nothing is out there except this truth ......

All is in the truth and nothing is below or above this truth .

Thks

CSEe

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