history principles practice stories, books, media discussion forum organizations resources
zenguide.com logo
 
Wednesday Jul 30 2014 03:18PM ET
º login º register º email º guestbook º printer friendly
grey dot
  At Savatthi. Then the Venerable Suradha approached the Buddha...and said to him:

"Venerable sir, how should one know, how should one see so that, in regard to this body
with consciousness and in regard to all external signs, the... continue...

z
.
e
.
n
menu left history menu spacer principles menu spacer practice menu spacer zen media menu spacer discussion forum menu spacer organization directory menu spacer resources  
login
  DISCUSSION FORUM
» topic list   » start a new topic   » my tracked topics   » view topic
grey dot

horizontal line
→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: WHAT IS TRUTH?
vertical line Posted on May.26.2013 @ 10:42PM EDT by esoteric
You live it every day. Is there anything else?
Go to Latest Reply   Reply to this Topic
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.26.2013
11:31PM EDT 
vertical line As most people say when talking about the truth... the truth is truth and nothing but the truth... but they don't know the truth because they never say what is the truth...lol
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152715
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.26.2013
11:33PM EDT 
vertical line They just say it is the truth.. and when you experience the truth you know the truth...lol
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152716
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.26.2013
11:34PM EDT 
vertical line And they say  ... only the truth will set you free...
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152717
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
12:53AM EDT 
vertical line "They say...they say...most people say..."

What do they say when you just drink tea?
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152718
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
12:54AM EDT 
vertical line What can they say when you are just sitting zazen?
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152719
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.27.2013
12:55AM EDT 
vertical line At least I admit they are not my words...lol
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152720
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
01:02AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "At least I admit they are not my words...lol "
.........

You made them your words.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152723
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from *CSEe*
May.27.2013
01:18AM EDT 
Email *CSEe*
vertical line

What is truth ? To my current understanding .............for all being , living or non-living there is only one truth and one truth only ............that one truth is the causes of it existance , the existance and the end of existance .......nothing is out there except this truth and this truth is BUDDHISM .

In Buddhism , there is cause of existance , the journey on existance and the end of existance .........................

Thks

CSEe

vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152724
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.27.2013
01:34AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "

What is truth ? To my current understanding .............for all being , living or non-living there is only one truth and one truth only ............that one truth is the causes of it existance , the existance and the end of existance .......nothing is out there except this truth and this truth is BUDDHISM .

In Buddhism , there is cause of existance , the journey on existance and the end of existance .........................

Thks

CSEe

"
.........

So what is the truth?..lol
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152727
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
01:39AM EDT 
vertical line You live it every day. Is there anything else?
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152728
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.27.2013
01:57AM EDT 
vertical line I thought you think it everyday every moment..lol
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152729
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.27.2013
01:59AM EDT 
vertical line How can you live it if you are always thinking...lol
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152730
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
02:21AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "I thought you think it everyday every moment..lol "
.........

Live it when you're not thinking.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152731
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
02:22AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "How can you live it if you are always thinking...lol "
.........

Live it when you're thinking.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152732
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.27.2013
02:38AM EDT 
vertical line That is how people are missing life when they always think...

vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152733
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
03:01AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "That is how people are missing life when they always think...

"
.........

No one is missing anything when you just pay attention to what you're doing, instead of thinking about what other people are doing.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152734
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.27.2013
03:06AM EDT 
vertical line So how come so many people are missing life...lol
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152735
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
03:21AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "So how come so many people are missing life...lol "
.........

I just answered that question.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152736
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
03:22AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "So how come so many people are missing life...lol "
.........

I just answered that question.
"
.........

Now you just answer that question for yourself. None of those other people can answer it for you.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152737
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
03:23AM EDT 
vertical line Pay attention to what you're doing, or you'll miss it.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152738
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from *CSEe*
May.27.2013
04:26AM EDT 
Email *CSEe*
vertical line

Quote: "You live it every day. Is there anything else? "
.........

In my current understanding .............NO...NO...NO.........and NO

Thks

CSEe

vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152739
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.27.2013
04:33AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Pay attention to what you're doing, or you'll miss it. "
.........

How can you pay attention if you are always thinking...lol

vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152740
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.27.2013
04:36AM EDT 
vertical line Thinking is exactly avoiding the present moment...lol

Like most people they don't like this life on earth because it is only earthly... and they are always thinking of going to heaven which they say eternal life.....lol
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152741
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.27.2013
04:42AM EDT 
vertical line If they are here they want to be there.. when they are there they want to be here.. they always don't want the present moment....they always want  to escape...

They always want to avoid themselves by saying helping other... saving the earth...lol

How can you help others when you cannot even help yourself...  By helping yourself you help others because you won't spread malicious things...lol
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152742
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.27.2013
04:47AM EDT 
vertical line By helping yourself you can recognize the root causes of the suffering of people...  so you no longer do something that ad to the suffering of people...tell them to stop the root cause of the suffering which is thinking...lol
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152743
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
12:29PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Pay attention to what you're doing, or you'll miss it. "
.........

How can you pay attention if you are always thinking...lol

"
.........

Then just pay attention to thinking.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152744
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
12:34PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Thinking is exactly avoiding the present moment...lol

Like most people they don't like this life on earth because it is only earthly... and they are always thinking of going to heaven which they say eternal life.....lol
"
.........

No. Human beings don't like pain, or memory of pain. So, human beings have ways of avoiding paying attention to pain and discomfort. Thinking about memories with no pain, or thinking about an imagined world with no pain.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152745
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
12:49PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "By helping yourself you can recognize the root causes of the suffering of people...  so you no longer do something that ad to the suffering of people...tell them to stop the root cause of the suffering which is thinking...lol "
.........

Helping is much more simple than that.

When you have no food, you know what it feels like to be hungry. When you have plenty of food, and you see someone who is hungry, you give them food because you know how that feels.

When you're sick, you know what it feels like to have the discomfort of illness. When you see someone else who's sick, you help them get medicine because you know how illness feels.

You do not feel hunger because of thinking, you feel hunger because of hunger.
You do not feel illness because of thinking, you feel illness because of illness.

So, you don't help a thirsty child by offering them vinegar.
You don't help a hungry man by giving him a picture of food.
And you don't help someone who's sick with illness by telling them to stop thinking.

When people hear "stop thinking", they think you mean "stop thinking ABOUT IT."
Stop thinking about it doesn't make the problem go away.

Pay attention makes the problem clear. When the problem is clear, human beings can make it go away without thinking, make it go away for themselves and for each other, because everyone already knows good solutions to problems.

When you're hungry, eat.
When you're thirsty, drink.
When you have sickness, find medicine for sickness.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152746
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
12:56PM EDT 
vertical line If your sickness is always thinking that other people should stop thinking, then your medicine is to go do something useful to fix problems that have nothing to do with thinking.

Feed hungry people.
Give water to thirsty people.
Help old ladies across the street.

Then you'll see how helping is the best medicine.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152747
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.27.2013
03:07PM EDT 
vertical line I think you are really hopeless... You don't even know how to pay attention... you are just mouthing the word pay attention.. but you really don't know what is to pay attention.. maybe you just heard that pay attention from many people...lol
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152748
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.27.2013
03:15PM EDT 
vertical line Why? Because giving food is not for an internet forum...lol
It is for actual 3d living... Stop thinking is the  most appropriate in internet Zen Forums... you got it?...lol
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152749
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.27.2013
03:20PM EDT 
vertical line Paying attention is doing the appropriate action on a given venue or situation... always doing right at the moment...lol..
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152750
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.27.2013
03:45PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "If your sickness is always thinking that other people should stop thinking, then your medicine is to go do something useful to fix problems that have nothing to do with thinking.

Feed hungry people.
Give water to thirsty people.
Help old ladies across the street.

Then you'll see how helping is the best medicine.
"
.........

If you have done those things I think you have no need in mouthing those words..lol
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152751
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
06:27PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Why? Because giving food is not for an internet forum...lol
It is for actual 3d living... Stop thinking is the  most appropriate in internet Zen Forums... you got it?...lol
"
.........

Speaking to others about Buddhist teaching and Zen practice, and using skillful means to stop emotion-thinking are the most appropriate uses of words in internet Zen forums.

"Stop thinking" is not always skillful. Repeating "stop thinking" over and over is not always appropriate.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152755
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
06:30PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Paying attention is doing the appropriate action on a given venue or situation... always doing right at the moment...lol.. "
.........

When having discussion with people, it is first necessary to listen, and then to reply appropriately.

Reading, listening, understanding...these are paying attention.

"La la la...stop thinking...lol" is not paying attention.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152756
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
06:32PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "If your sickness is always thinking that other people should stop thinking, then your medicine is to go do something useful to fix problems that have nothing to do with thinking.

Feed hungry people.
Give water to thirsty people.
Help old ladies across the street.

Then you'll see how helping is the best medicine.
"
.........

If you have done those things I think you have no need in mouthing those words..lol
"
.........

I read your words. So I type these words. It has nothing to do with what else has been done or not done.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152757
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.27.2013
08:06PM EDT 
vertical line But the thing is you never get the meaning of my words...lol
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152762
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.27.2013
08:19PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "But the thing is you never get the meaning of my words...lol "
.........

That's what you think.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152764
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
May.27.2013
09:58PM EDT 
vertical line In my current understanding... I think you don't get it...lol
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152765
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from esoteric
May.28.2013
02:09AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "In my current understanding... I think you don't get it...lol "
.........

Pay attention.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152776
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from teh_sit
May.29.2013
08:05PM EDT 
Email teh_sit
vertical line Thought has moved full circle,
Senses have adsorbed into the heart,
Empty of a separate self,
There is not "I" but only Truth.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152828
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from football
May.30.2013
05:32AM EDT 
Email football
vertical line

iiIIIIIIIi the sense that I get.

vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152857
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from football
May.30.2013
05:56AM EDT 
Email football
vertical line Quote: "

iiIIIIIIIi the sense that I get.

"
.........

"
.........

with no points on :)

vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152861
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Joe Chip
May.30.2013
09:36AM EDT 
vertical line Plug your points into the poospe - ciao baby, and come back soon now.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 152877
horizontal line
 
Back To Topic List   Go to Top of Page

 



SUPPORT ZENGUIDE.COM
If you are planning on purchasing any product from amazon.com, you can help us out by using the search box to the right or by clicking on this link to begin shopping.


Purchase posters, art prints, media (music CD & DVD)

buy this ZEN GARDEN
by Lucy Bishop
Puchase this Item
More Art Prints & Media
Zen & Buddhism books
 
 
d
.
i
.
s
.
c
.
u
.
s
.
s
.
i
.
o
.
n
.

.
f
.
o
.
r
.
u
.
m
.
Copyright © 1999 - 2014 zenguide.com - All rights reserved. °