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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: WHAT IS THE REASON TO TEACH BUDDHISM TO OTHERS ?
vertical line Posted on Jun.10.2013 @ 11:31AM EDT by *CSEe*
Recently I had a short debate with a monk who is well known teacher of Buddhism and I still cant find any reason to agree with him ..........I really hope to find out from any people who claimed as a master or teacher of Buddhism that currently teaching Buddhism in school or giving Buddhism talk for the reason that makes them have emotion to be a teacher to others .....in short I hope to learn what is the reason they teach Buddhism .

I really cant find any reason what makes Dalai Lama have emotion to be teacher to others.....................
I hope anyone here could discuss with me on this .
Thks
CSEe

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Jun.10.2013
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vertical line Quote: "Recently I had a short debate with a monk who is well known teacher of Buddhism and I still cant find any reason to agree with him ..........I really hope to find out from any people who claimed as a master or teacher of Buddhism that currently teaching Buddhism in school or giving Buddhism talk for the reason that makes them have emotion to be a teacher to others .....in short I hope to learn what is the reason they teach Buddhism .

I really cant find any reason what makes Dalai Lama have emotion to be teacher to others.....................
I hope anyone here could discuss with me on this .
Thks
CSEe"

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A big problem here is that you are trying to debate with someone else about their reasons for doing what they do, because you disagree with it. Any explanation about why behavior occurs is not going to be truth, but rather a way of pointing to the truth. If you're relying on the pointing for understanding, while at the same time holding closely to some negative idea about it because you believe it's not true, then you will not understand. When you understand what's being pointed at for yourself, then will you understand the pointing.

So, to understand why others do what they do, first you have to understand why you do what you do. This is not a subject to be "debated" as if the description is the entirety of what is being described. The only thing that you can know directly, for yourself, is why you do what you do. Only then will you be able to have any kind of understanding why others do what they do.

A specific problem that I have seen in your previous understandings of Buddhism is the misconception that emotion is tainted or polluted, and causes all of existence as a result of pollution, and therefore emotion to you is somehow separate from freedom or liberation of self. This appears to be because you have some nihilistic idea of Buddhism that makes you think that the goal of life, or the natural process of awakening, is leading to a state of complete emptiness or nothingness in which no experience (emotional, mental, or physical) is to be had. That's not liberation of self, that is destruction of everything.

This is an incorrect understanding, probably coming from your desire to end suffering by ending all perception of existence entirely. This is not Buddhism, nor does it have anything to do with seeing reality just as it is. So, it's understandable how you would fail to understand someone's motivation to teach (like mine, for example), because you fail to see how one can experience emptiness and emotion at the same time.

The only advice I can give you is to keep practicing and living (and debating, if you wish) until you understand what it means to understand your oneness with all of existence, and the emptiness of all existence, while at the same time engaging in the form of existence as a human being, all at the same time.
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Jun.10.2013
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vertical line Buddhism studies is about knowledge and sometimes debate.
But, the practicing of Buddhism as a way of life leading to the ultimate awakening is not up for debate.
The reason is simply that practicing means that there is a means of method that works.
It isn't up for debate about how it works or why it works or any such thing.
It is not an issue of how one views Buddhism or parts of the history of Buddhism.

So, CSEe has it in his mind that he can debate the issues and learn to realize the ultimate truth.
In doing so, he has created his own version of Buddhism which he puts up against anyone.
He puts it up for debate. To defend and strengthen through these debates.
This isn't one of the paths or methods given by Buddha to learn the true nature of ones self.
It is one that he just made up along the way ...
with his growing knowledge of what he believes Buddhism to be.
This is not to bash his way. I wish him luck on his journey.
And hope he finds what he is looking for.

Lately the stuff here has turned away from learning more about Buddhism or the practice which leads us to the truth about ourselves.
I see ego clash with ego. And, respect discarded like the dirt brushed aside by the welcome mat.
It is my true wish that this site returns to the way of spreading the knowledge of Buddhism
And the practice which we all hope will lead us to our freedom.
Thanks for lending an ear.
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Jun.10.2013
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vertical line Desire brings you together.
Data sets the agenda.
Doubt frames your questions.

Whatever is received comes to the receiver after the manner of the receiver.
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Jun.10.2013
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vertical line ON MANNER

an "emptiness without manner"

by "manner" seems to mean a qualified mode of being that can be grasped and conceived intellectually.

we know "God" in our concepts of His essence and attributes, but "beyond all manner" (and therefore beyond all conceiving) in His transcendent, ineffable reality is "suchness."

"For God's impenetrable lack of manner is so dark and without manner that in itself it comprehends all the Divine manners...and in the abyss of God's namelessness it makes a Divine delectation.

flowing-away and sinking-down into the essential nakedness, with all the Divine names and all manners and all living reason which has its image in the mirror of divine truth;

all these fall away into this simple nakedness wanting manner and without reason.
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Jun.10.2013
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vertical line What is the reason to teach Buddhism to others?

I assume their main care is to teach others "Buddhist Mindfulness." Which has two aspects: One, the penetration of the meaning and reality of suffering by meditation, and two, the protection of all beings against suffering by nonviolence and compassion.



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~ Mechthild of Magdeburg
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Jun.10.2013
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Jun.10.2013
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vertical line if you are angry you want to spread that anger, if you are happy you want to spread that happiness.

without realising you cse ask daily to be taught,
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Jun.10.2013
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Dear esoteric , you said , I quote " A big problem here is that you are trying to debate with someone else about their reasons for doing what they do, because you disagree with it. Any explanation about why behavior occurs is not going to be truth, but rather a way of pointing to the truth. If you're relying on the pointing for understanding, while at the same time holding closely to some negative idea about it because you believe it's not true, then you will not understand. When you understand what's being pointed at for yourself, then will you understand the pointing." un-quote

I do not trying to dis-agree or have desire to rejectany understanding ,I simply cant find any reason that fit in my understanding of Buddhism on why people teach Buddhism .  I accepted any action or re-action by myself or others is a source of learning for me but my question is what makes you have emotion to teach ...I never say I could never learn from others but I just hope to know what is the reason Dalai Lama think he should be teaching others ......

you said , I quote " So, to understand why others do what they do, first you have to understand why you do what you do. This is not a subject to be "debated" as if the description is the entirety of what is being described. The only thing that you can know directly, for yourself, is why you do what you do. Only then will you be able to have any kind of understanding why others do what they do." un- quote

Yes , is true I hope to debate with others on Buddhism but for this particular topic I just hope to seek others reason to teach ......Dear esoteric , anything can be debated if for learning purpose , I hope to debate for my own learning process not to teach so I have all the reason to debate .....

you said , I quote " A specific problem that I have seen in your previous understandings of Buddhism is the misconception that emotion is tainted or polluted, and causes all of existence as a result of pollution, and therefore emotion to you is somehow separate from freedom or liberation of self. This appears to be because you have some nihilistic idea of Buddhism that makes you think that the goal of life, or the natural process of awakening, is leading to a state of complete emptiness or nothingness in which no experience (emotional, mental, or physical) is to be had. That's not liberation of self, that is destruction of everything.This is an incorrect understanding, probably coming from your desire to end suffering by ending all perception of existence entirely. This is not Buddhism, nor does it have anything to do with seeing reality just as it is. So, it's understandable how you would fail to understand someone's motivation to teach (like mine, for example), because you fail to see how one can experience emptiness and emotion at the same ti' Un-quote

Dear esoteric , sorry in advance if you read your own writing again and again perhaps you will see you in your words and that is not me ......I never have faith in myself and Buddhism is just like river ,always flowing if you stop at any level of understanding thats great suffering .... so what is your reason to teach ?

Dear esoteric , you said , I quote "
The only advice I can give you is to keep practicing and living (and debating, if you wish) until you understand what it means to understand your oneness with all of existence, and the emptiness of all existence, while at the same time engaging in the form of existence as a human being, all at the same time." un-quote

Thanks for your kind advse .

CSEe

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Jun.10.2013
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Quote: "Buddhism studies is about knowledge and sometimes debate.
But, the practicing of Buddhism as a way of life leading to the ultimate awakening is not up for debate.
The reason is simply that practicing means that there is a means of method that works.
It isn't up for debate about how it works or why it works or any such thing.
It is not an issue of how one views Buddhism or parts of the history of Buddhism.

So, CSEe has it in his mind that he can debate the issues and learn to realize the ultimate truth.
In doing so, he has created his own version of Buddhism which he puts up against anyone.
He puts it up for debate. To defend and strengthen through these debates.
This isn't one of the paths or methods given by Buddha to learn the true nature of ones self.
It is one that he just made up along the way ...
with his growing knowledge of what he believes Buddhism to be.
This is not to bash his way. I wish him luck on his journey.
And hope he finds what he is looking for.

Lately the stuff here has turned away from learning more about Buddhism or the practice which leads us to the truth about ourselves.
I see ego clash with ego. And, respect discarded like the dirt brushed aside by the welcome mat.
It is my true wish that this site returns to the way of spreading the knowledge of Buddhism
And the practice which we all hope will lead us to our freedom.
Thanks for lending an ear.
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Dear Avisitor , thanks for your perception of me but I hope you could understand the my question here........

Thks

CSEe

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Jun.10.2013
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Quote: "What is the reason to teach Buddhism to others?

I assume their main care is to teach others "Buddhist Mindfulness." Which has two aspects: One, the penetration of the meaning and reality of suffering by meditation, and two, the protection of all beings against suffering by nonviolence and compassion.



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Do you think Buddhism is knowledge that we could teach ?

Thks

CSEe

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Jun.10.2013
10:35PM EDT 
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vertical line Buddhism is knowledge about the ultimate truth about ourselves
Why would anyone want to teach Buddhism??
Why would anyone like to know the truth about themselves??
Yeah, that's the reason ... hahaha
One teaches cause others want to know.
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Jun.10.2013
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Quote: "Buddhism is knowledge about the ultimate truth about ourselves
Why would anyone want to teach Buddhism??
Why would anyone like to know the truth about themselves??
Yeah, that's the reason ... hahaha
One teaches cause others want to know.
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If you regard Buddhism is a kind of knowledge than is common sense it can be taught but my question to you is Budhhism is a knowledge ? To me Buddhism is beyond knowledge , beyond anything that we ever know ...and for these differences I am ready to debate with you .

I could understand why anyone need to discover themselves but for a person like Dalai Lama to teach others he must already known himself beyond others .......that is interesting for me to discover his reason .

If you teach because others want to know , what is the reason you think you know what others dont know ? I could teach you how to keep a koi fish because I had tens of years in raring this fish but yet I am always ready to learn something new from you ...but how could I know that you understand yourselve less than I understood myself and have this reason to teach you Buddhism ?..............

Thks

CSEe

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Jun.11.2013
06:02AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "What is the reason to teach Buddhism to others?

I assume their main care is to teach others "Buddhist Mindfulness." Which has two aspects: One, the penetration of the meaning and reality of suffering by meditation, and two, the protection of all beings against suffering by nonviolence and compassion.



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Yes, sit_teh. This is why  we teach Buddhism, as Buddhism. Also, while teaching Buddhism, we learn Buddhism. So, teaching is for self, for other, and for all beings simultaneously. Just as we eat because there is a feeling of hunger, and we feed others because we understand their hunger. Then we enjoy eating together.

All of the universe goes on taking care of itself, whether anyone is there to see it or not. Seeing it is a great gift. Participating in this care is a marvelous wonder.

This is the function of a human being. Simple as breathing. Sometimes people forget to breathe, and forget that they know how. So, we remind each other, and together enjoy the breath of all that is.
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vertical line Being beyond Buddhism, knowledge and cabbage - if you have to ask, it's not for you.
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Quote: "Buddhism is knowledge about the ultimate truth about ourselves
Why would anyone want to teach Buddhism??
Why would anyone like to know the truth about themselves??
Yeah, that's the reason ... hahaha
One teaches cause others want to know.
"
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If you regard Buddhism is a kind of knowledge than is common sense it can be taught but my question to you is Budhhism is a knowledge ? To me Buddhism is beyond knowledge , beyond anything that we ever know ...and for these differences I am ready to debate with you .

I could understand why anyone need to discover themselves but for a person like Dalai Lama to teach others he must already known himself beyond others .......that is interesting for me to discover his reason .

If you teach because others want to know , what is the reason you think you know what others dont know ? I could teach you how to keep a koi fish because I had tens of years in raring this fish but yet I am always ready to learn something new from you ...but how could I know that you understand yourselve less than I understood myself and have this reason to teach you Buddhism ?..............

Thks

CSEe

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the Deli Lama is a interesting case, he is the newest member of a very powerful club. The rulers of Tibet, (was) he has a lot to loose apart from his cia augmented finances so he benefits greatly in teaching others. I recently read seven years in Tibet again and then because i was interested (and surprised by some of the comments) googled the author the SS officer  Heinrich Harrer. I then did some research on the Lamaism and wow i was surprised all is not as it seems in serfdom Tibet. The monks and ruling classes own everything the rest of the population own nothing except the work they do (did) for the monks and rulers. Check out the state oracle, the punishments metered out by the previous Deli Lama, and i do not even mention the supression of the people or the tantric sex stuff,  yes an interesting case!!


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vertical line Deli Beli.
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vertical line Lama Glama ding dong.
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vertical line "Something" in common,
Rivers deep in our bloodstream.
Yet to name the feeling is to lose the feeling,
So we leave it as it is and love the "Nothing."

Indeed... Nothing.
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vertical line Quote: "Being beyond Buddhism, knowledge and cabbage - if you have to ask, it's not for you. "
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I'm starting a restaurant called "Toots Mcgoots"

Serving baked beans and cabbage all day.
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vertical line It's just when I have the opportunity to help someone that makes for the best feeling in the world and creates long lasting peace
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the other 30% is just chemicals and neurosis out of wack.
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Quote: "Quote: "%70 True"
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the other 30% is just chemicals and neurosis out of wack.
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yes

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Happy Midsummer's Day, my friends.
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