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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: ZEN IS RIGHT NOW
vertical line Posted on Jul.11.2013 @ 05:10PM EDT by pudgala2
Zen is the psychology of the immediate moment—NOW! Immediate means not mediated. Egos thrive in mediated experience on the thrills and threats of sentient beings (beliefs, attitudes, opinions, etc.). Egos can never be immediate since they dwell in/on past emotional experiences that generate this artificial sense of self importance and its imaginary future.

When the ego experiences a threat to its sense of self importance it generates suffering in the mind. If the suffering is great enough it will drive the ego to seek an end to this suffering or breakdown into blaming, shaming, or simply fall apart.

If the mind with the suffering ego is fortunate it will come upon the Truth of Suffering, enter the BuddhaDharma, and experience a breakthrough. Since ego is artificial it is false which means that Truth dissolves it. Truth does not know about egos just as light does not know about darkness. Truth is already in the mind like an embryo in an egg.

Zazen is a nest for the awakening mind simply resting and watching very still. Without "doing," Awareness grows lighter and brighter absorbing the self absorbed ego until it is perfectly still.

NOW there are no moving experiences—time has fallen apart. On the Zazen Throne of the Buddhas sits a radiant expression of light.

Zen Masters move their tongues and their bodies from this Mind that is perfectly still.



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Jul.11.2013
06:03PM EDT 
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vertical line Make Love Don't fight.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.11.2013
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vertical line Destroy your world. Break out of your egg. Sincerely.
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Jul.28.2013
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vertical line "Original Topic: Zen Is Right Now Zen is the psychology of the immediate moment—NOW! Immediate means not mediated. Egos thrive in mediated experience on the thrills and threats of sentient beings (beliefs, attitudes, opinions, etc.). Egos can never be immediate since they dwell in/on past emotional experiences that generate this artificial sense of self importance and its imaginary future. When the ego experiences a threat to its sense of self importance it generates suffering in the mind. If the suffering is great enough it will drive the ego to seek an end to this suffering or breakdown into blaming, shaming, or simply fall apart. If the mind with the suffering ego is fortunate it will come upon the Truth of Suffering, enter the BuddhaDharma, and experience a breakthrough. Since ego is artificial it is false which means that Truth dissolves it. Truth does not know about egos just as light does not know about darkness. Truth is already in the mind like an embryo in an egg. Zazen is a nest for the awakening mind simply resting and watching very still. Without "doing," Awareness grows lighter and brighter absorbing the self absorbed ego until it is perfectly still. NOW there are no moving experiences—time has fallen apart. On the Zazen Throne of the Buddhas sits a radiant expression of light. Zen Masters move their tongues and their bodies from this Mind that is perfectly still." The ego is a reflection of the percieved moment, it doesnt have a past or a future and does not exist in the present. It is the shine on the apple believing it is the apple. "When the ego experiences a threat to its sense of self importance it generates suffering in the mind. If the suffering is great enough it will drive the ego to seek an end to this suffering or breakdown into blaming, shaming, or simply fall apart." True, but so is the inverse true. When the ego fears its end due to the determonism of the being it is a belief of, it generates a sense that it is becomming a buddha, or that it is becomming enlightened, being freed, or whatever. Within the egotistical centered mind of a practitioner there is a consciousness associated to enlightenment. Upon the verge of sustained egolessness, the realization/consciousness of what is happening to "you" is felt and associated to the self/ego which causes it to be lived. The falling away of the ego and awareness of the egoless state is to experience comfort because of lack of stress's and discomforts and the feeling of loving. It is a state of bliss difficult to not associate with the self, but what the attainment of the experience implies a paralel of the self and others who have attained the state. Then the mind associates it with its ego concept, and so there is the feeling that the ego is experiencing the effects of egolessness and thus becomming an enlightened buddha, and awreness finds itself again in the egotistical position. So the ego also secures its position by temptation. The temptation to become a social label and to experience the living of its role in society. Feeling good or the promise of feeling good are just as if not more so effective in keeping the ego accentuated. Others finding themselves experiencing the blissful comfort of egolessness might find them selves telling themselves or just the urge to feel it and desire to believe it, because the experience is over whelming and difficult to keep dissaciated with the self,"I am God", but to say so, or feel or believe so is to have the ego asserted, and awareness in the ego position and to have lost the state of egolessness.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.28.2013
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Jul.28.2013
06:25PM EDT 
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vertical line The ego is a reflection of the percieved moment, it doesnt have a past or a future and does not exist in the present.

It is the shine on the apple believing it is the apple.

"When the ego experiences a threat to its sense of self importance it generates suffering in the mind. If the suffering is great enough it will drive the ego to seek an end to this suffering or breakdown into blaming, shaming, or simply fall apart."

True, but so is the inverse true. When the ego fears its end due to the determonism of the being it is a belief of, it generates a sense that it is becomming a buddha, or that it is becomming enlightened, being freed, or whatever.

Within the egotistical centered mind of a practitioner there is a consciousness associated to enlightenment. Upon the verge of sustained egolessness, the realization/consciousness of what is happening to "you" is felt and associated to the self/ego which causes it to be lived.

The falling away of the ego and awareness of the egoless state is to experience comfort because of lack of stress's and discomforts and the feeling of loving. It is a state of bliss difficult to not associate with the self, but what the attainment of the experience implies a paralel of the self and others who have attained the state.


Then the mind associates it with its ego concept, and so there is the feeling that the ego is experiencing the effects of egolessness and thus becomming an enlightened buddha, and awreness finds itself again in the egotistical position. So the ego also secures its position by temptation. The temptation to become a social label and to experience the living of its role in society.

Feeling good or the promise of feeling good are just as if not more so effective in keeping the ego accentuated.

Others finding themselves experiencing the blissful comfort of egolessness might find them selves telling themselves that "I am God." or something, or just the urge to feel it, and desire to believe it, because the experience is over whelming and difficult to keep disasocciated with the self,"I am God", but to say so, or feel or believe so is to have the ego asserted, and awareness in the ego position and to have lost the state of egolessness.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.28.2013
06:31PM EDT 
vertical line Dissatisfaction appears to have caused your ego to lash out at an Internet forum, zenguide.com, in a desperate attempt to gain control over it, thereby heaping up more suffering for yourself and anyone else who has the misfortune to stand in your way.
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Reply from leoj99
Jul.29.2013
01:29AM EDT 
vertical line Zen is no psychology of anything...LOL
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Jul.29.2013
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vertical line Bulldada.
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Jul.29.2013
01:34PM EDT 
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vertical line Today is like yesterday.
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Reply from soup41
Jul.30.2013
12:40AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Zen is no psychology of anything...LOL

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Laughing at others, negating what they are originating, taking space in the discussion with negativity but adding absolutely nothing; clearly you have a deep comprehension of what zen is/isnot.

Please enlighten us, because it is my opinion that if you cant see the essence of what your brother was saying in the op when he used the word psychology, then clearly your eyes are caked with dust and you are fighting against zen.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.30.2013
07:14AM EDT 
vertical line The things you are afraid of are quite likely to happen to you, but they're nothing to be afraid of.

Say "KNOW" to soupression.
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Reply from Avisitor
Jul.30.2013
09:44AM EDT 
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vertical line He is fighting for what he believes in ... unfortunately, he is fighting ....
What should be done??
Teach according to the ability of those to learn.

Thanks for leaning an ear ... hahahaha
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.31.2013
06:12AM EDT 
vertical line Internet forums are awash with soup41s.

He's a soupremacist; he's here to break the posting guidelines and to slag everybody off.
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Reply from soup41
Jul.31.2013
04:31PM EDT 
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He's a soupremacist; he's here to break the posting guidelines and to slag everybody off.
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What's soup?

Thats right, it's here to practice zen...
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.31.2013
04:52PM EDT 
vertical line A Vichyssoise of Verbiage.
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