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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: ZEN IN THE POST-DIGITAL ERA
vertical line Posted on Jul.18.2013 @ 01:03PM EDT by kostanek
I never had to worry about what "nirvana" means. Instead, I learned about The Exceptional Stage of Ongoing Enlightened Traits. This phrase came from an American neurologist, James H. Austin. Wise men exist, but they do not fare well digitally.
I am a seeker. I want to find out how to communicate from authentic Zen teachers. I know wisdom when I see it in others. I just can't seem to find it. The client-server world is a new dreamworld for us.
But awakened men can and do enter the digital dream. I met once with a Korean Zen teacher in Washington, DC. I left DC shortly after, so I did not see him again. He even assigned me a koan in a brief, private interview. I thought he might be authentic. But he was not in DC. In fact, he was in Korea. I spoke to him over Skype. Why can I not Skype with him again? What a great use of Skype!
I seek advice from real internet contacts. Maybe this will find its way to a friend, or more than one.
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Reply from football
Jul.18.2013
01:57PM EDT 
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peaks of the mountains

the way of love

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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.18.2013
03:50PM EDT 
vertical line The only separation is the one between you and your Internet connection.
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Reply from kostanek
Jul.18.2013
03:59PM EDT 
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peaks of the mountains


the way of love

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Peaks are made by valleys. Peaks and valleys. Ones and Zeros.
Watch the dichotomies nest:
[(analog / digital)]
[(peak / valley) / (1 / 0)]

The sine wave is a continuous function and can represent analog information. It has crests and troughs. Digital information is discrete - if you jump from the one down to the zero, you skip the fall.

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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.18.2013
04:14PM EDT 
vertical line Often the one seeking advice is the one to give advice.
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Reply from kostanek
Jul.18.2013
04:30PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "The only separation is the one between you and your Internet connection."
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No. Of course, everyone here knows that there is no real separation between any two things. Never.
The psychologically healthy Zen student receives an insight, an intuition, when the optical characteristics of the world around him remain when there is no witness to the scene. Observation remains, but there is no observer "doing it." That is kensho.
But the man/machine false divide is a different sort of problem.
Zen-like statements, by the way, are only useful when teacher and student are locally present and can see facial expressions, hear voices, and observe body movements. Joshu would never have responded to the dog question with texting "mu!" if he taught with a computer.
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Reply from kostanek
Jul.18.2013
04:32PM EDT 
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vertical line I like having friends, who want to associate and talk about things they like or value. Zen friends might be here, I think.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.18.2013
04:42PM EDT 
vertical line It's a joke.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.18.2013
04:47PM EDT 
vertical line Post-digitised to Mu before the internets existed.
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Reply from kostanek
Jul.18.2013
05:50PM EDT 
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vertical line Joe,

Any Japanese Zen teachers kill time on these forums when not doing sanzen?
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.18.2013
06:17PM EDT 
vertical line Maybe some are killing Buddhas - I don't know.
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Reply from football
Jul.18.2013
06:24PM EDT 
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Diggers

Nat Geo

21:00

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Reply from so_teh
Jul.19.2013
12:05AM EDT 
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vertical line IONS
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Reply from so_teh
Jul.19.2013
12:07AM EDT 
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vertical line Thursday - Sunday
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Reply from so_teh
Jul.19.2013
12:12AM EDT 
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.19.2013
06:55AM EDT 
vertical line Internet Diversion Road Ahead > Through Traffic < Follow This Sign.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.19.2013
06:56AM EDT 
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IS



the
other
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When it half is,
it half isn't as well.


However


When ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  That
the wave  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ means it
packet collapses ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  can't collapse
over this ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  over this
side ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   side

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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.19.2013
07:14AM EDT 
vertical line 1 x 1 = a biunity

A sine of the times.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.19.2013
07:17AM EDT 
vertical line In the beginning was the nous
and in the end
is a pukkah lips NOW
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Reply from football
Jul.19.2013
08:04AM EDT 
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Quote: "In the beginning was the nous
and in the end
is a pukkah lips NOW
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What a big words

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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.19.2013
08:11AM EDT 
vertical line All my words

come to me

in vocab ulary
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.19.2013
08:24AM EDT 
vertical line The perfect kiss - apocalypse POW.
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Reply from so_teh
Jul.19.2013
08:40PM EDT 
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vertical line Nah, nobody wakes me up in the morning.
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Reply from Avisitor
Jul.19.2013
10:20PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Joe,

Any Japanese Zen teachers kill time on these forums when not doing sanzen?


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Don't really see that here.
On ZenForumInternational.com there are teachers who comment or post.
Here, it is more of a free speech type.
Everyone gets to put on their Zen ... hahaha
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.20.2013
07:20AM EDT 
vertical line  ... and watch the palaces high
the data clouds build in the sky ..
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.20.2013
12:03PM EDT 
vertical line Post-a-digit-point >.<
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.20.2013
12:04PM EDT 
vertical line IBM : Iesus Babbage Mundi
IBM : Ieseum Binarium Magnificamur
IHS : Iesus Hardware & Software
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.20.2013
12:08PM EDT 
vertical line Intro/Outro frames
the so-called
teachers' claims
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.20.2013
12:13PM EDT 
vertical line Arriving at the truth through the reconstruction of a false text.
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Reply from leoj99
Jul.20.2013
11:55PM EDT 
vertical line I think Zen or Zen practice is not affected by the digital age. Maybe before the digital age most Zen people goes to the monasteries but now many Zen people are not monks. I think that  difference basically make any difference in Zen practice or Zen.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.21.2013
07:48AM EDT 
vertical line From superhighway to dead-end street via the troll-road ... ... and the [thinking man's] weiner is ...
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.21.2013
08:23AM EDT 
vertical line Yes, yes, yes ...

post postcoital ...

[Oh yeah, I have the power to shrink fonts]
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.21.2013
10:19AM EDT 
vertical line In every Dream Home, a heartache.

In every Golden Apple Corps, a Golden Worm.
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Reply from Joe Chip
Jul.28.2013
07:43AM EDT 
vertical line The binary soul doctrine of polarity hilarity.
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