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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: IF YOU FOLLOW THE 8-FOLD PATH
vertical line Posted on Sep.11.2013 @ 11:15PM EDT by leoj99
If  you follow the 8-Fold Path who will decide which is right?
Who will decide what is Right Thinking?
Who will decide what is Right Action?

Is it  the follower who will decide what is right or wrong?
Or is it some Ascended Master up there who will decide?

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Reply from football
Sep.12.2013
09:21AM EDT 
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vertical line Ascended master
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Reply from justin
Sep.13.2013
01:35AM EDT 
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vertical line the 8 fold path is the finger pointing at the moon,

if i  see the ascended master i run away quickly !!

notions of notions,

a slave is a slave even if the chains are of gold


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Reply from leoj99
Sep.14.2013
08:11PM EDT 
vertical line So any dude can follow the eightfold path... and any dude thinks it right thinking, and right action...LOL
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Reply from leoj99
Sep.14.2013
08:13PM EDT 
vertical line I think the eightfold path seems a very important and serious stuff but it is really garbage.. nothing...lol  .. it is just like all the New Age stuff.. which are all garbage...lol

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Reply from Avisitor
Sep.14.2013
10:02PM EDT 
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vertical line What is right .. is what works.
No one person decides.
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Reply from leoj99
Sep.15.2013
12:56AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "What is right .. is what works.
No one person decides.
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So it means right is a group decision? Millions of people will or can decide what is right? ....lol
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Reply from Woodsman
Sep.15.2013
10:32AM EDT 
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vertical line The path before us relates to the path behind us as being dropped in the present moment of awakening. Each sound in quiet and chosen silence is given ground as equal value to the next.
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Reply from football
Sep.15.2013
02:52PM EDT 
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With the "following white method" as I told at another thread, It is easy to decide what is right or what is wrong.I highly recommend.

thanks.

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Reply from Woodsman
Sep.15.2013
03:32PM EDT 
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vertical line Cloud rising in the sky

by day see

at night  hide

beneath the color of sheets

laying down in the darkness of night closing eyes to all that is right

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Reply from Avisitor
Sep.15.2013
04:19PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "What is right .. is what works.
No one person decides.
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So it means right is a group decision? Millions of people will or can decide what is right? ....lol
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No.
What is right .. is what works.
No one decides. Not a person and not a group of people.
Right and what works is self evident.

Most people do, however, have a sense of right.
Maybe this is what you mean??
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Reply from leoj99
Sep.15.2013
05:55PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "What is right .. is what works.
No one person decides.
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So it means right is a group decision? Millions of people will or can decide what is right? ....lol
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No.
What is right .. is what works.
No one decides. Not a person and not a group of people.
Right and what works is self evident.

Most people do, however, have a sense of right.
Maybe this is what you mean??
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Yeah. Every dude in the New Age and Zen Forums swear they follow the 8-fold path. And they swear they know what is right. But all of them when they talk they doesn't make sense...LOL..
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Reply from leoj99
Sep.15.2013
05:57PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "What is right .. is what works.
No one person decides.
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So it means right is a group decision? Millions of people will or can decide what is right? ....lol
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No.
What is right .. is what works.
No one decides. Not a person and not a group of people.
Right and what works is self evident.

Most people do, however, have a sense of right.
Maybe this is what you mean??
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Yeah. Every dude in the New Age and Zen Forums swear they follow the 8-fold path. And they swear they know what is right. But all of them when they talk they doesn't make sense...LOL..
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And all of them swear they are doing right thinking. they are doing right action.
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Sep.15.2013
09:46PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "And all of them swear they are doing right thinking. they are doing right action.
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And this disturbs you??
Whether they are doing it right or not is their concern.
Whether you are doing it right is your concern.
Meditation is an inner journey.

Often, in Zen Buddhism, one will hear "Go find a teacher".
Now, you know why.
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Reply from leoj99
Sep.15.2013
10:35PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "And all of them swear they are doing right thinking. they are doing right action.
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And this disturbs you??
Whether they are doing it right or not is their concern.
Whether you are doing it right is your concern.
Meditation is an inner journey.

Often, in Zen Buddhism, one will hear "Go find a teacher".
Now, you know why.
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Well of course! As a true student of Zen it is my concern if they don't make sense.
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Reply from leoj99
Sep.15.2013
10:38PM EDT 
vertical line Why do teachers always say find a Teacher. They don't even understand what I am saying...LOL.. they cannot even estimate or recognize a zen student...lol.. I think they should be the ones to find a genuine Teacher...LOL
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Reply from leoj99
Sep.15.2013
10:42PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "And all of them swear they are doing right thinking. they are doing right action.
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And this disturbs you??
Whether they are doing it right or not is their concern.
Whether you are doing it right is your concern.
Meditation is an inner journey.

Often, in Zen Buddhism, one will hear "Go find a teacher".
Now, you know why.
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I think you are one of them who are caught with a non-genuine Teacher ...LOL
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Sep.16.2013
10:25AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Why do teachers always say find a Teacher. They don't even understand what I am saying...LOL.. they cannot even estimate or recognize a zen student...lol.. I think they should be the ones to find a genuine Teacher...LOL

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If you can not tell what is right from wrong then you need a teacher.
Now, if you were really a stucdent of Zen then you would know that it is a journey inward to find yourself.
And not to judge others.
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Reply from justin
Sep.16.2013
10:29PM EDT 
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vertical line Why do teachers always say find a Teacher. They don't even understand what I am saying...LOL.. they cannot even estimate or recognize a zen student...lol.. I think they should be the ones to find a genuine Teacher...LOL

so you are saying Zen teachers are wrong ?
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Reply from leoj99
Sep.16.2013
11:13PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Why do teachers always say find a Teacher. They don't even understand what I am saying...LOL.. they cannot even estimate or recognize a zen student...lol.. I think they should be the ones to find a genuine Teacher...LOL

so you are saying Zen teachers are wrong ?
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I am saying not all Zen Teachers are genuine...LOL
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Reply from justin
Sep.17.2013
12:30AM EDT 
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vertical line aha :)

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