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  Posted on Aug.20.2009 @ 11:07PM EDT by chontri

Bhikkhus, what is ignorance?
Not knowing suffering,
Not knowing the origin of suffering,
Not knowing the cessation of suffering,
Not knowing the path leading to... continue...

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vertical line Posted on Sep.13.2013 @ 02:06AM EDT by justin
body is mind observed

mind is body introspective

but this is only the very beginning,

all the universe is contained with in this body

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Reply from so_teh
Sep.13.2013
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vertical line Everyone goes through being raised, educated and awakened.

To be truly yourself is an art.
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Reply from leoj99
Sep.14.2013
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vertical line .So what if mind is body and body is mind?  LOL
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Reply from Avisitor
Sep.14.2013
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vertical line Quote: ".So what if mind is body and body is mind?  LOL


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It means when the body is dead then so are you.
There is no separate self that exist beyond death.
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Sep.15.2013
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: ".So what if mind is body and body is mind?  LOL


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It means when the body is dead then so are you.
There is no separate self that exist beyond death.
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How do you know? When you are dead is not yet. It is in the future so it is just your thoughts. How do you know really of what is not happening yet.
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Sep.15.2013
04:32PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: ".So what if mind is body and body is mind?  LOL


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It means when the body is dead then so are you.
There is no separate self that exist beyond death.
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How do you know? When you are dead is not yet. It is in the future so it is just your thoughts. How do you know really of what is not happening yet.
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Buddhism has the three marks of existence.
Impermanence, suffering, no self.

This is what I believe.
Buddha nature ...
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Reply from football
Sep.15.2013
04:38PM EDT 
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DMX

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Reply from leoj99
Sep.15.2013
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: ".So what if mind is body and body is mind?  LOL


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It means when the body is dead then so are you.
There is no separate self that exist beyond death.
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How do you know? When you are dead is not yet. It is in the future so it is just your thoughts. How do you know really of what is not happening yet.
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Buddhism has the three marks of existence.
Impermanence, suffering, no self.

This is what I believe.
Buddha nature ...
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Well in Zen you have to throw away all beliefs.
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Reply from football
Sep.15.2013
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: ".So what if mind is body and body is mind?  LOL


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It means when the body is dead then so are you.
There is no separate self that exist beyond death.
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How do you know? When you are dead is not yet. It is in the future so it is just your thoughts. How do you know really of what is not happening yet.
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Buddhism has the three marks of existence.
Impermanence, suffering, no self.

This is what I believe.
Buddha nature ...
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Well in Zen you have to throw away all beliefs.
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Not this one!

Buddhism has the three marks of existence.
Impermanence, suffering, no self.

This is what I believe.
Buddha nature ...

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Reply from leoj99
Sep.15.2013
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: ".So what if mind is body and body is mind?  LOL


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It means when the body is dead then so are you.
There is no separate self that exist beyond death.
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How do you know? When you are dead is not yet. It is in the future so it is just your thoughts. How do you know really of what is not happening yet.
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Buddhism has the three marks of existence.
Impermanence, suffering, no self.

This is what I believe.
Buddha nature ...
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Well in Zen you have to throw away all beliefs.
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Not this one!

Buddhism has the three marks of existence.
Impermanence, suffering, no self.

This is what I believe.
Buddha nature ...

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So why do you need marks of existence?
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Sep.15.2013
09:37PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Buddhism has the three marks of existence.
Impermanence, suffering, no self.

This is what I believe.
Buddha nature ...

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So why do you need marks of existence?
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You shouldn't be asking why do we need the three marks of existence
But, rather what are they and how does it relate to me ...
Understand them for yourself, personally.
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Reply from leoj99
Sep.16.2013
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: ".So what if mind is body and body is mind?  LOL


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It means when the body is dead then so are you.
There is no separate self that exist beyond death.
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How do you know? When you are dead is not yet. It is in the future so it is just your thoughts. How do you know really of what is not happening yet.
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Buddhism has the three marks of existence.
Impermanence, suffering, no self.

This is what I believe.
Buddha nature ...
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Who said these are the marks of existence?

Existence is surely not suffering...lol
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Sep.16.2013
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Perhaps Buddhism is a natural process where we will aware , realize , accept and eventually free of own existence NATURALLY ...not by faith , not by any kind of knowledge or practice but is natural ....awaken to understand it will be a pleasent journey , not awaken to it will cause suffering .................thats Buddhism ..is always about ownselves never others , is a natural process that one in own journey of own choice , own will in own world never connected to others ......................

perhaps faith on Buddhism will lead us into longer / more suffering journey ..buddhism is realization not creation ...freedom of emotion not further increase any emotion .I hope to debate with any teacher here for my own learning process .

Thks

CSEe

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Sep.16.2013
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Who said these are the marks of existence?

Existence is surely not suffering...lol
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Google search and learn.
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Reply from leoj99
Sep.16.2013
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Who said these are the marks of existence?

Existence is surely not suffering...lol
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Google search and learn.
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Google Search?  LOL.. and all you can google are the New Agers....LOL
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Sep.16.2013
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vertical line Who said that Existence is Suffering?
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Sep.17.2013
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Reply from *CSEe*
Sep.17.2013
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Perhaps realizing existence is tiny part of Buddhism ...Buddhism is perhaps liberation from existence .

Thks CSEe

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Sep.17.2013
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Perhaps realizing existence is tiny part of Buddhism ...Buddhism is perhaps liberation from existence .


Thks CSEe

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Buddhism is realizing that life is suffering
The suffering has a reason
The suffering is life
The suffering has an end
There is a path to end suffering
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Reply from *CSEe*
Sep.17.2013
10:11PM EDT 
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Dear Avisitor , thanks for your interest to discuss with me , you said I quote " Buddhism is realizing that life is suffering
The suffering has a reason
The suffering is life
The suffering has an end
There is a path to end suffering" Un-quote

Perhaps Buddhism is much more than that , Buddhism in my current understanding is a natural process towards end of existence where suffering is just a tiny part of an emotion ...Buddhism is realization on emotion , realization of nothingness and from that realization human awaken and flow into emptiness in smooth journey ....liberation from emotions, liberation from life , liberation from existence ....

Life is not suffering , life is a road , a path for living to discover own emotions and is a empty garden for you to decorate ......awaken to Buddhism will free of any joy or suffering . For example , I suffer of sickness , of losing love one etc but if I awaken to Buddhism , I will realize that nothing is belong to me and all existence is same and equal ...so I will realize there is no special emotion for "my" daughter as she is same and equal as any dirt on the table or any bird on the tree .......and with realization on death / birth , I will never suffer if "my" body is damage because "my" body is never belong to me , death is part of the body natural process into emptiness ....never connected to Me- the nothingness/Buddha or myself-the emotions that causes my existence .........the body never related to me or myself ......

So awaken to Buddhism will end suffering and ending suffering is just a tiny little part of a long natural process into liberation from all emotions , liberation from existence .

I hope to further debate with you for my greater understanding .

Thks CSEe

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Sep.18.2013
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vertical line CSEe, you have repeated yourself over and over again.
You do much to protect your beliefs.
But , what if anything has your realizations gotten you??
Where is the proof that you are on the right path??

Through my practice of meditation, I have verified the truth of the mind and how some of it works.
I understand Buddha's four noble truths
Life is suffering
The reason for suffering
The end of suffering
The path to end suffering

What can you say about these noble truths??
In your current understanding, everything and everybody is the same ... a great source of learning.
So what?? You haven't found liberation, nirvana or anything other than your own thoughts about Buddhism .. whatever you thought up.

From practice comes understanding, from understanding comes wisdom.
Wisdom guides practice and the lessons are learned.
What lessons have you learned from your Osama or Dalai Lama??
Emotions and what not?? So what??
What have they done for your seeking??
Truth is that you are no further along your quest for Buddhism than when you first started.
Only now, you have more thoughts and more emotions which you wish to control.

Sorry, but you have the right idea but are going about it the wrong way.
And, no, I don't want you to follow me or agree with me.
I want you to find the truth.
And you can't do that unless you have an open mind.
That means not repeating your beliefs about Buddhism but asking others about theirs.
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Reply from leoj99
Sep.18.2013
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vertical line So what understanding and wisdom are you talking about Avisitor? ...LOL.. you understand what?
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Sep.18.2013
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vertical line As if you said something you understand.. you just juggled ... understanding and wisdom..

from understanding come wisdom ... and wisdom comes understanding... LOL

what do you really understands and what wisdom are you talking about?


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Sep.18.2013
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Dear Avisitor , thanks a million for your concern about me . Just for your information I never have any beliefs or faith even for what I said to you many-many times but that is what my current understanding , is never something I have faith or believe is true and defend it ...is just my current understanding . The reason I wish to debate with you or any master is to challenge my current understanding and move into greater understanding ............

Perhaps you found "the truth" and follow that path , to me nothing is the truth ...there is nothing except Buddhism so if one have to find the truth , is must be Buddhism because in my current understanding nothing exist except Buddhism ....

I never say in any Buddhism website that I am right or others are wrong but so far I never avoid any question or any invitation to discuss or debate and learn alot from it ......

Dear Avisitor , to me currently Buddhism is all about learning from ownselve or others in discover own emotion ...so all existence regardless their nature is a teacher to me regardless you or Dalai Lama or the dirt under your hand ...is all same and equal great source . If you wish to learn , you will learn from it , is your will , your desire , your emotion top learn ...but if you use your knowledge to learn , you will only choose what to learn , when to learn and you will always be you -the one you wish to be .....and you are taking longer journey into realizing yourself . Osama action same as Dalai Lama words , same as the universe , same as our environment is a open book for us to learn so is always you my friend , you decide your path , you decide your suffering ......and Buddhism is a natural process decreasing emotion but if you choose to increase emotion by getting more knowledge / wisdom from your practice ...well that is your journey , your will and is still a great source for me to learn , anyway you are a teacher to me .Perhaps wisdom in Buddhism is not knowing more but decreased in desire to know more because of realization and acceptance .

Seems to me you still living in my old life , I had proceed into many condition and each moment I am in different condition but you seems greatly attached to my old life ....lets focus on current understanding okey >

dear sir , I invited you many times for debate with open minds to learn as I always told you but you declined it always so dear sir , who is open mind ?

Lets debate ....

Thks CSEe

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Dear *CSEe*, what you are telling is your current understanding.Everyone of us has his own understanding.of what Buddhism is about.Everyone of us may have different and own reasons to be on the way of Buddhism.that which is normal for me.I had recently talked about my method.May be this is your method.And I respect your understanding.You don't have to agree with everyone.You don't have to establish your thoughts.But rather you can improve yourself with others.kindly

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Dear *CSEe*, what you are telling is your current understanding.Everyone of us has his own understanding.of what Buddhism is about.Everyone of us may have different and own reasons to be on the way of Buddhism.that which is normal for me.I had recently talked about my method.May be this is your method.And I respect your understanding.You don't have to agree with everyone.You don't have to establish your thoughts.But rather you can improve yourself with others.kindly

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.Yes , I easily agree with you ....and I never here to establish anything , I am here to learn and move into greater understanding and with constant debate I always learning , with or without noticing it

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.Yes , I easily agree with you ....and I never here to establish anything , I am here to learn and move into greater understanding and with constant debate I always learning , with or without noticing it

Thks CSEe........

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vertical line Quote: "As if you said something you understand.. you just juggled ... understanding and wisdom..

from understanding come wisdom ... and wisdom comes understanding... LOL

what do you really understands and what wisdom are you talking about?




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Anything I give to you, you will not value it.
You will not see how deeply it applies to you.
For this reason, I do not tell you.
If you want to know then you should go practice meditation or Zazen
And learn from your own practice.
If you need to then find a real teacher and learn from that person.

Ask yourself about the true nature of suffering.
Then maybe you will start to understand.
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vertical line Dear Avisitor , from many of your posting I have reason to say that you are greatly having faith in your path , in your practice and believe that is the truth ........well that is great in human culture, because in human culture , knowing is great as the more you know , the more you understand .
Perhaps you learn something from your practice of meditation and to me that is not a surprise as in Buddhism all action or re-action is a source of learning even in sex ...........but ( very sorry in advance , I seldom comment on others path ) your attachment on your experience perhaps could be limitation to your greater understanding and by defending your experience , you will always be the one you know and always be the one you already known .
Perhaps if you realize / awaken to your emotion , you will freely debate with me with no other intention but to learn ...that is all my realization , I always eager to debate solely for my own learning process never have any intention to influence others or seek agreement from others .........you Avisitor , always talk about meditation so why dont you use your knowledge / experience / realization or anything that you had discover from your practice and openly debate with me ? Lets share it my friend .....if your intention is solely to learn just like me , you will losing yourself ..not gaining more self , Buddhism is about decreasing in emotion and if increasing emotion that is travelling into longer journey .
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