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  Ta-mei Fa-chang (752-839) was a Chinese Ch'an master. After he got awakened under
the Great master Ma-tsu Tao-i (709-788), he went to the Ta-mei mountain and resided there.
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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: WHO SAID THAT EXISTENCE IS SUFFERING?
vertical line Posted on Sep.16.2013 @ 11:22PM EDT by leoj99
Who said that Existence is Suffering? Did the Buddha said that or the New Agers? Or some new agers said it and they imply the Buddha said it...LOL
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Reply from leoj99
Sep.17.2013
03:35AM EDT 
vertical line If Existence is suffering so why try get enlightened to end your sufferings. 
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Reply from justin
Sep.17.2013
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vertical line it is the first of the four noble truths Dhukka 
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Reply from justin
Sep.17.2013
04:42AM EDT 
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vertical line the reason for enlightenment is obvious ?

haha

but dont be attached !!!!!
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Reply from justin
Sep.17.2013
04:45AM EDT 
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vertical line If someone did not feel the same way (existence is suffering) then they do not need the cure.


but personally i am grateful to experience suffering because without it i would never have had the reason to search for the Buddhas Zen,



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Reply from justin
Sep.17.2013
04:48AM EDT 
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vertical line i think new ages use the pieces of Dharma they want to (they will pick and choose) but ignore the bits they do not want to hear.

but that is not my business
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Reply from Woodsman
Sep.17.2013
09:24AM EDT 
vertical line I want... an answer, to why we are here.
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Reply from Woodsman
Sep.17.2013
01:20PM EDT 
vertical line here now is the connection to past and present which makes a ... ah, can't say.
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Reply from sit_teh
Sep.17.2013
03:23PM EDT 
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vertical line I am aware that I am here.
As to why? I don't know.
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Reply from Woodsman
Sep.17.2013
03:44PM EDT 
vertical line The urge to walk deep into the woods came upon me again, and I was lead to find something of value from the past where people had been but now is only nature in control. So out I went and walked on a different way, where there are no paths to find something, and then, before me I see a shiny silver  flash from the sun. I reach down and pull the rest of the silver shiner up from the ground... it is an old food knife, an antique. Immediately I feel connected to the past that once was celebrated with zest and now only quietly reflecting the sun, and still perfectly good. So I took in and cleaned and polished beauty back into the shiny find, once lost but now on the Buddha altar found.
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Reply from Avisitor
Sep.17.2013
06:53PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "it is the first of the four noble truths Dhukka 

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What is the nature of suffering and how do we end suffering??

It took me a long time to get a most primitive of answers
But, it was hard fought for and won
Those are the kind of answers people really want
Cause if you give them the truth too easy then they disregard it value
I have done that a number of times .. given the answers
And those who heard did not learn nor care
And those with ears to understand already knew the truth
hahahaha
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Reply from sit_teh
Sep.17.2013
09:04PM EDT 
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vertical line The Wordless Wondrous Tao

Light and Lovingness

Infinite Possibilities
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Reply from football
Sep.18.2013
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Quote: "I want... an answer, to why we are here. "
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action, man.

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Reply from leoj99
Sep.18.2013
04:32AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "it is the first of the four noble truths Dhukka 

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What is the nature of suffering and how do we end suffering??

It took me a long time to get a most primitive of answers
But, it was hard fought for and won
Those are the kind of answers people really want
Cause if you give them the truth too easy then they disregard it value
I have done that a number of times .. given the answers
And those who heard did not learn nor care
And those with ears to understand already knew the truth
hahahaha
"
.........

You have the answers? lol.. just a hint...lol...
I never heard from even just a hint...lol
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Reply from leoj99
Sep.18.2013
04:33AM EDT 
vertical line "What is the nature of suffering and how do we end suffering??"

Ok just give us a hint if  you really have it...LOL
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Reply from leoj99
Sep.18.2013
04:40AM EDT 
vertical line Existence is not suffering. You are suffering because you don't exists. How can  you exists with your illusions. You suffer because your existence is not true existence.

Existence is  your Buddha Nature which is the true existence.
That is what you can realize in practicing Zen. Do zazen .. drop all your thoughts.
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Reply from Avisitor
Sep.18.2013
10:49AM EDT 
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You have the answers? lol.. just a hint...lol...
I never heard from even just a hint...lol
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You have heard the answers.
You just never gave it any notice.
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Reply from *CSEe*
Sep.18.2013
11:42AM EDT 
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vertical line Who said that existence is suffering ? Human , human who use knowledge as basis
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Reply from Avisitor
Sep.20.2013
09:30PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Who said that existence is suffering ? Human , human who use knowledge as basis "
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Okay then what is the alternative to using knowledge as basis??
You keep saying no right, no wrong, no difference between you and dirt beneath your feet ... only Buddhism.

Then, so what then??
Nothing has changed for you!!
You are still you.
For all your realizations, nothing has changed.
The only thing you can say for sure is that your fears are calmed down because of your beliefs about Buddhism.

I say good for you. Have a good life.
But, you are wrong and there is a choice.
BYE.
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Sep.20.2013
10:01PM EDT 
vertical line Maybe we suffer from impermanence?
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Sep.21.2013
06:14AM EDT 
vertical line Do we suffer from impermanence?
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Reply from *CSEe*
Sep.21.2013
07:30AM EDT 
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Dear Avisitor , you said "Okay then what is the alternative to using knowledge as basis??Un-quote

Nothing .........as Buddhism is a continue natural process into realization and each moment , each condition we are different without any attachment on the past or any expectation on future.......in realization of Buddhism , you do not create your future / what you should believe but progress each moment without any desire to hold on to your emotion.....you do not need as basis , you do not hold on to knowledge as you do not own anything......


You said "You keep saying no right, no wrong, no difference between you and dirt beneath your feet ... only Buddhism.Then, so what then??
Nothing has changed for you!!You are still you.For all your realizations, nothing has changed.
The only thing you can say for sure is that your fears are calmed down because of your beliefs about Buddhism.

I say good for you. Have a good life.
But, you are wrong and there is a choice.
BYE.
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Dear Avisitor , Buddhism is all about ownselve never other so you are travelling into longer journey by living in my life ........You said I never change , because you hold on to your believe , your knowledge of past , you hold on to my past condition and bring in to discuss with me now .......if you realize , that is all about me , not you ......perhaps I never change in your belief , perhaps indeed I change by my realization ...that is something even myself will never notice .....Buddhism is a constant process that one WILL NEVER be the same as each moment we "live and die".....we never the same ..but if you hold on to your knowledge ,use your knowledge as basis , you will easily say I never change .......but my friend , Buddhism is self realization and is beyond knowledge .....perhaps your knowledge had creates lots of emotion , lots of confusion on you ...........in realization of Buddhism , you will realize yourself and from there you will notice knowledge is just a little tiny part of yourself......but in human culture , you had live in knowledge ......in realization on Buddhism perhaps you will realize yourself without attachment on knowledge.

I sincerely hope to debate further with you since I could learn alot not only from your reply but even from my explaination to you

Thks

CSEe

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Reply from Avisitor
Sep.21.2013
08:45AM EDT 
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vertical line You said, "Buddhism is self realization and is beyond knowledge".

Then you will never know what it is .. if it is beyond human knowledge.
hahahaha
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Reply from *CSEe*
Sep.21.2013
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vertical line Dear Avisitor , yoy said " You said, "Buddhism is self realization and is beyond knowledge".

Then you will never know what it is .. if it is beyond human knowledge.
hahahaha"
Yes , I can easily agree with you because from my current understanding Buddhism is realization on ownselves by a natural process of awaken , realization , acceptance towards liberation from ownselves ....so is will never be something you know but is a process you in regardless you know it or not ......if you know it , you will hold on to your knowledge and this will lead you into faith which you will travelling into longer journey because of your knowledge / your confusion ........you will creates more emotion resulted from your faith of the knowledge that you gain .......knowledge is just a tiny part of Buddhism.....
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Reply from Avisitor
Sep.21.2013
03:07PM EDT 
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vertical line Whether it is a process or not, you will never know because it is beyond human knowledge.
So therefore, it is beyond your capability to know or understand.
No realization will ever give you Buddhism (the way you have defined it).
hahaha
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