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  One day, Chang-sha Ching-tsen (d. 868), one of the well-known Chinese Ch'an masters,
wandered in the mountain. When he was back just at the gate of the temple, the head monk asked him:
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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: IF YOU BELIEVE LIFE IS SUFFERING YOU ARE A GONER
vertical line Posted on Sep.19.2013 @ 11:07PM EDT by leoj99
If you believe that life is suffering you are a goner. You have inflicted a bondage to yourself and then you do anything in your power to free yourself from your self-inflicted bondage. Just because some dude said that life is suffering you just believe it? You inflcted yourself a bondage then you want to be free from it. Isn't that kinda stupid ?

If you don't believe that life is suffering you are already free from suffering. Where is suffering if  you don't believe.

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Reply from so_teh
Sep.19.2013
11:47PM EDT 
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vertical line What is and what is life?

I am and who am I?

Unanswered questions.
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Reply from justin
Sep.20.2013
12:34AM EDT 
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vertical line like an ostrich with its head in the sand, if i don't acknowledge it it is not there.

but what is that pain i feel now it does feel a lot like lion claws ? but it can not be because i do not believe in Lions.
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Reply from Avisitor
Jul.03.2014
08:03PM EDT 
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vertical line The truth is that life has suffering
And the suffering is due to our own insistence or delusions

When one starts to sit and practice, it becomes apparent that we are not in control of anything.
Our minds dance and fly with fancy ideas and emotions
This sense of self comes from this life we live
Consciousness is all that we sense, see, taste, feel, do as we deal with the cares of this world
Awareness is the rest of it when we let go of consciousness
No dreams, no forms, no emptiness, just everything
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Reply from Phil Space
Jul.04.2014
06:47AM EDT 
vertical line Who cares? I'm not interested in what you believe. I don't care about what some dude posted in an internet forum. I'm not interested in your delusions about bondage. Your habits of thought merely waste time and bandwidth.
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Reply from Avisitor
Jul.04.2014
11:04AM EDT 
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vertical line It was a way to use expedient means to provide the student with an understanding.


If you use your mind to study reality, you won't understand either your mind or reality.
If you study reality without using your mind, you'll understand both.
Bodhidharma



The mind or consciousness that sees and feels and tastes and deals with the cares of this world is in fact only part of the whole.
The whole being described as awareness. So if consciousness is shed off then one may experience the truth of ones nature.

If one insists on ones own interpretations then one becomes lost since one has no experience or wisdom in such things.
The trick is not to argue but to learn from others. Even if you think you do know better ... hahaha
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Reply from Phil Space
Jul.04.2014
12:16PM EDT 
vertical line Insist away.
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Reply from Avisitor
Jul.04.2014
06:26PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Insist away."
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You can't know your real mind as long as you deceive yourself.
Bodhidharma
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Reply from Phil Space
Jul.04.2014
07:11PM EDT 
vertical line Ya can't beat ya brain for entertainment.
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Reply from Avisitor
Jul.04.2014
08:27PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Ya can't beat ya brain for entertainment."
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If you are looking for entertainment then you are in the wrong place
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Reply from Phil Space
Jul.04.2014
08:53PM EDT 
vertical line Oh, to you
You
I'd leave it all
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Reply from leoj99
Jul.06.2014
03:26AM EDT 
vertical line He keeps on quoting Bodhidharma to impress you...LOL
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Reply from leoj99
Jul.06.2014
03:27AM EDT 
vertical line If it doesn't work he get tantrums...LOL
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Reply from Phil Space
Jul.06.2014
07:49AM EDT 
vertical line There's no business like show business
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Reply from Riverstone
Jul.06.2014
10:13PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "If it doesn't work he get tantrums...LOL

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SUCH A SASsy LITTLE DEBUTANTE always speaking meanly about others ....mean girls have nothing on you....
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Reply from Avisitor
Jul.07.2014
06:19AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "He keeps on quoting Bodhidharma to impress you...LOL

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It seems that you won't listen to me or anyone else here.
So, I had hoped Bodhidharma's words might have impressed upon you the point I was trying to make.
If it doesn't work then it is all good.

Some reach and miss
Some reach and get the golden ring
Which one is you??
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Reply from Phil Space
Jul.07.2014
07:03AM EDT 
vertical line Ever get the feeling you've been had?
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Jul.07.2014
01:55PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Ever get the feeling you've been had?"
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If it isn't in my right hand then can it be in my left hand??
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Reply from Phil Space
Jul.07.2014
02:32PM EDT 
vertical line Southpaw?
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Jul.07.2014
03:15PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Southpaw?"
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Did that go over your head??
Oh, thats right everything does since you've dropped your head ... hahaha
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Reply from Phil Space
Jul.07.2014
04:07PM EDT 
vertical line Yeah ya missed again.
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Reply from leoj99
Jul.07.2014
11:09PM EDT 
vertical line they always miss ... yet they want to teach... if you don't want to believe them they get furious...LOL
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Reply from leoj99
Jul.07.2014
11:11PM EDT 
vertical line they want you to believe that life is suffering...LOL... life is not suffering... they are too attached to the four noble truth...LOL
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Jul.08.2014
11:15AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "they always miss ... yet they want to teach... if you don't want to believe them they get furious...LOL

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No, it is help .. not teach, not like you.
And no one gets angry. There is no attachment to the teachings.
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Reply from Phil Space
Jul.10.2014
09:29AM EDT 
vertical line Reminds me of my old friend Bill Burroughs' mythology of the world as conflict between the Johnsons and the Sh!ts.

A Johnson minds his own business.  A Johnson is not a self-righteous, trouble-maker.  A Johnson honours his obligations.  A Johnson will give help when needed - he will not stand idly by while someone is drowning or trapped in a burning house.

In contrast, a Sh!t is never content unless he is minding someone else's business.  It is just not enough for a Sh!t that you are simply here.  He needs to know why you are here.  His over-riding need to know the reason for your presence is absolutely paramount.  A Sh!t is driven by the compulsion to be right.  All Sh!ts are infected with the Right Virus.

Ultimately, indifference will end the Sh!t problem, slowly ignored into a dull celluloid sunset.
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Reply from so_teh
Jul.12.2014
01:25PM EDT 
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vertical line What about a shaft?
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Reply from Phil Space
Jul.13.2014
07:07AM EDT 
vertical line By God sir, you're right, those who play with the stone get screwed by the stone.
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Reply from Phil Space
Jul.16.2014
10:57AM EDT 
vertical line By God sir, I don't know sir, life is like a metaphor and then you're a goner ... hahaha hah
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Reply from Phil Space
Jul.16.2014
11:01AM EDT 
vertical line No sir, Bulldada ain't no sheen of sham.
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Reply from Phil Space
Jul.22.2014
08:10AM EDT 
vertical line Going, going, goner.
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Reply from Phil Space
Jul.22.2014
08:12AM EDT 
vertical line Somebody, quick . . . update my online status.
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Reply from Phil Space
Aug.16.2014
07:57AM EDT 
vertical line To be your god damn self. Right?
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Reply from Avisitor
Aug.16.2014
03:29PM EDT 
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vertical line Look upon life and see the truth for yourself.
Buddha never insisted people must believe him at his word.
But, to go and verify for yourself.

If you don't believe the four noble truths
Peace be with you. It is time now to go separate ways.
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Reply from Phil Space
Aug.16.2014
04:05PM EDT 
vertical line Come back when you can listen. Ciao!
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Reply from Phil Space
Aug.16.2014
04:10PM EDT 
vertical line Hey there Teach, how's it goner?

The product Buddhism sells is freedom from suffering, and you can't sell that product unless you convince people that they are really suffering.

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Reply from floating_a
Aug.16.2014
10:24PM EDT 
vertical line Thanks P
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