Ta-mei Fa-chang (752-839) was a Chinese Ch'an master. After he got awakened under the Great master Ma-tsu Tao-i (709-788), he went to the Ta-mei mountain and resided there.
One day there was a traveling monk who got lost in the Ta-mei...
Posted on Oct.26.2013 @ 07:33PM EDTbyleoj99
Spiritual words are never new. In fact they are recycled and recycled. But even said repeatedly they are never fully understood that is why many ended up by just believing in them. Recycled words smells bad.. Lol.. that is why Zen Masters always laugh at you...Lol..
i can see where you are coming from with this Leo, but............ It is the same as saying my meditation is exactly the same as yours, (which of course it is) because it was told to one person to another person all the way to me.
or the apple i eat now is exactly the same flavor as the one some dude 10000 years ago ate.
the difference is in the perception of the moldy words, the way in which it is understood,
the thing itself is same it is the way it is understood which differs.
having said that i agree totally that words can not convey the reality, they are a poor semblance of it by virtue of their medium. only i can understand reality myself in my way in my awareness and experience, but i can point someone towards finding theirs, if i understand :) (not saying i do) and at that imaginary point we are all one. (i trust that reality is one not two, i can not explain to anyone why i do that i just do)
Reply from leoj99
Like in Zen Forums they are discussing the words... Oneness, Emptiness, Enlightenment, Nirvana and so many others. LOL How can you get it right if you are telling only your ideas about those words which you have picked up from someone who had said it.
So many are saying of non-attachments in Zen yet they cannot stop their words, they cannot stop their thoughts... they love them so much...lol