history principles practice stories, books, media discussion forum organizations resources
zenguide.com logo
 
Tuesday Sep 02 2014 05:10AM ET
º login º register º email º guestbook º printer friendly
grey dot
  One day, when the brilliant Chinese Cha'n master Chao-chou was sweeping
the court of the monastery, a man asked him:
-Ch'an monastery supposed to be clean and pure. Why is there dust to sweep?
Chao-chou replied:
-It came... continue...

z
.
e
.
n
menu left history menu spacer principles menu spacer practice menu spacer zen media menu spacer discussion forum menu spacer organization directory menu spacer resources  
login
  DISCUSSION FORUM
» topic list   » start a new topic   » my tracked topics   » view topic
grey dot

horizontal line
→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: THE NONEXISTENT; NOT REAL
vertical line Posted on Dec.25.2013 @ 05:44PM EDT by so_teh
I've been observing how beliefs are flexible entities. I've noticed that we have the time to make an unreal belief a real thing. And I think this is a necessary power for us to possess. But in Zen practice we are not concerned about beliefs rather reality as it is. Therefore for a practitioner of Zen the important matter is his mind in relationship with reality.
Go to Latest Reply   Reply to this Topic   Email so_teh
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from so_teh
Dec.25.2013
07:40PM EDT 
Email so_teh
vertical line the nature of nature
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155441
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from football
Dec.25.2013
08:09PM EDT 
Email football
vertical line Out of concept
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155443
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from so_teh
Dec.25.2013
09:37PM EDT 
Email so_teh
vertical line Lol
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155445
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from Riverstone
Dec.26.2013
06:12PM EDT 
vertical line Wording, phrasing is always, difficult when it comes to Zen practice. You say what is important is Mind in relation to Reality. This immediately, lol, draws to mind an image of two separate things. The tongue/ mind twister is that the Mind of No Mind is what experiences reality as it actually is. Yet the moment we place that experience into thought, it is no longer Mind of No Mind. And conversely Mind of No Mind and Mind are one and the same as well. It is sort of like saying I can't see the forest for the trees. What you said is Mind in relation to Reality is what is important and this is true, just as true as there is not relation between mind and reality because mind can not see reality it can only generate a facsimile of it.

This all sounds so confusing but it is far more simple. I do not disagree with what you say, it is correct. It is the understanding of those words and these here which I have written which make Zen or Dharma impossible to give to others. Before I used to disagree with opinions here, but eventually i saw I disagreed with wording and concept, but not the heart of the understanding.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155453
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from so_teh
Dec.26.2013
06:32PM EDT 
Email so_teh
vertical line I have not known, I don't know and I am fully aware of my not knowing.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155454
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from justin
Dec.27.2013
02:39AM EDT 
Email justin
vertical line ii have no idea what u are talking about :-)
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155457
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
Dec.27.2013
04:14AM EDT 
vertical line He is talking of something great yet at the same time he is confused about it...LOL
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155460
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from football
Dec.27.2013
04:20AM EDT 
Email football
vertical line no...he knows what he is talking about and he is not confused about it.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155461
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from jaigon
Dec.27.2013
12:28PM EDT 
Email jaigon
vertical line Quote: "He is talking of something great yet at the same time he is confused about it...LOL "
.........I think you're the one that sounds confused
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155477
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from so_teh
Dec.27.2013
04:38PM EDT 
Email so_teh
vertical line scratch, crumple, toss away, recycle
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155481
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
Dec.28.2013
12:38AM EDT 
vertical line So what is he talking about?...LOL
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155484
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from so_teh
Dec.28.2013
03:49AM EDT 
Email so_teh
vertical line Forming nothing, leaving everything as it is.




vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155486
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
Dec.28.2013
04:02AM EDT 
vertical line So why is he talking a lot then..LOL
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155487
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from football
Dec.28.2013
06:00AM EDT 
Email football
vertical line listening...
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155488
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from jaigon
Dec.28.2013
03:40PM EDT 
Email jaigon
vertical line Quote: "So why is he talking a lot then..LOL "
.........You are talking alot.  Look at all the posts you have
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155489
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from leoj99
Dec.28.2013
07:18PM EDT 
vertical line Not really.. because I am talking of nothing...LOL
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155496
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from jaigon
Dec.29.2013
12:54PM EDT 
Email jaigon
vertical line Quote: "Not really.. because I am talking of nothing...LOL "
.........It seems on one talks of anything, but simply just to talk.  A bird sings a song for all to hear, but the song is vain and attracts no mates for the bird.  Although beautiful, it is nothing but a yearning for something gone.  Swept away by the wind
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155520
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from football
Dec.29.2013
02:53PM EDT 
Email football
vertical line What we need is heavy metal yet I couldn't find the right tone.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155521
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from football
Dec.29.2013
04:04PM EDT 
Email football
vertical line BEFORE
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155522
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from so_teh
Dec.29.2013
04:21PM EDT 
Email so_teh
vertical line Spiritual teachings are an experimental art intending greater awareness, wisdom living, creativity, perfect health and the ultimate positivity.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155523
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from so_teh
Dec.29.2013
05:03PM EDT 
Email so_teh
vertical line Spiritual simplicity is wonderful.
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155524
horizontal line
 
horizontal line
Reply from urgent
Jan.18.2014
04:53PM EDT 
Email urgent
vertical line I see greater awareness, wisdom living, creativity, perfect health and the ultimate positivity + spiritual simplicity
vertical line Quote & Reply   Post Reply 155698
horizontal line
 
Back To Topic List   Go to Top of Page

 



SUPPORT ZENGUIDE.COM
If you are planning on purchasing any product from amazon.com, you can help us out by using the search box to the right or by clicking on this link to begin shopping.


Purchase posters, art prints, media (music CD & DVD)

buy this BUDDHA
by Unknown
Puchase this Item
More Art Prints & Media
Zen & Buddhism books
 
 
d
.
i
.
s
.
c
.
u
.
s
.
s
.
i
.
o
.
n
.

.
f
.
o
.
r
.
u
.
m
.
Copyright © 1999 - 2014 zenguide.com - All rights reserved. °