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vertical line Posted on Dec.28.2013 @ 05:51PM EDT by Riverstone
I do not believe in a permanent state of enlightenment. I do not seek a permanent state of enlightenment. I am not enlightened, but I practice enlightenment as much as possible. Practicing Zen is an act of enlightenment. I have met enlightened masters and I must say their farts do not glow like fairy dust (if you would forgive my crude attempt at humor). What I have discovered in the presence of masters is that if I am practicing the story line of the Self in the presence of a practicing master, it is quite obvious. Yet practicing in their presence it seems much easier, like a school of fish swimming together in the wake of the same flow. Without them, the Sangha, without the Dharma, without the Budddha, I fall right back into my distractions. It is not so much that all things contain Buddha Nature, but that all things are Buddha Nature itself. So even when I fall into distraction it is a part of the process of waking up.
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Reply from so_teh
Dec.28.2013
07:04PM EDT 
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vertical line Super-uselessness
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Reply from leoj99
Dec.28.2013
07:24PM EDT 
vertical line If you are really enlightened.. you are enlightened.. and it is permanent.. you cannot reverse it not matter what you do or pretend you are not.
But if you are not enlightened.. you can always think  you are enlightened.. so at one time you think you are enlightened.. but it always nag you the fact that you are not enlightened.... no matter how you convince yourself all other say that  you are enlightened..
You are a dead wood..LOL..
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Reply from leoj99
Dec.28.2013
07:25PM EDT 
vertical line That is why you have anxiety, anger and restlessnes.. and panic attacks...LOL
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Reply from so_teh
Dec.28.2013
08:31PM EDT 
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vertical line I think, enlightenment philosophy is factual information that trains the brain in it's natural, compassionate ways. Moreover enlightenment brings about a drive to express your deepest feelings heart love and awareness.
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Reply from so_teh
Dec.28.2013
08:40PM EDT 
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vertical line In Zen, we enjoy the super-uselessness of just sitting.
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Reply from Riverstone
Dec.28.2013
09:14PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "If you are really enlightened.. you are enlightened.. and it is permanent.. you cannot reverse it not matter what you do or pretend you are not.
But if you are not enlightened.. you can always think  you are enlightened.. so at one time you think you are enlightened.. but it always nag you the fact that you are not enlightened.... no matter how you convince yourself all other say that  you are enlightened..
You are a dead wood..LOL..


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Change is the only absolute, nothing is permanent. The first noble truth is that, there is suffering. And then there is also the cessation of suffering. The four noble truths were the first teaching of the Buddha after his enlightenment. The very first thing he stressed, the very first noble truth, was the truth of suffering. I have never claimed to be enlightened and never will claim such a thing. We each of us are Buddha Nature, we simply cloud it over with our preferences and conditioning, that is all. There is no perfection to recover because it has never left.

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Reply from Riverstone
Dec.28.2013
09:27PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "In Zen, we enjoy the super-uselessness of just sitting."
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What a strange paradox, in my head. The way you phrase this inspires relinquishment. "Uselessness", as you say, this sounds like practicing without an agenda. With such a practice, it is not too far before you are acting with the sword of Prajna, so that yes the lack of agenda has generated the discernment of wisdom. Yet the moment I name my practice as useful, an agenda is generated, and prajna is no longer.
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Reply from so_teh
Dec.28.2013
10:09PM EDT 
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vertical line Good point
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Reply from leoj99
Dec.28.2013
10:16PM EDT 
vertical line Sitting is never useless....LOL... what a jetsky...LOL
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Reply from leoj99
Dec.28.2013
10:22PM EDT 
vertical line Nothing is permanent because  you are thinking... you are connecting the past, the present, and the future in a long stream of time...lol.. that is thing... you cover the past which is gone, the present which is only now, and the future which will never come...LOL..

If  you can stay with the present moment... everything is permanent...lol...
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Reply from Riverstone
Dec.28.2013
10:54PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Nothing is permanent because  you are thinking... you are connecting the past, the present, and the future in a long stream of time...lol.. that is thing... you cover the past which is gone, the present which is only now, and the future which will never come...LOL..

If  you can stay with the present moment... everything is permanent...lol...


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In Buddhism there is the teaching of Impermanence which leads us to Emptiness, emptiness allows us to stop protecting the false self known as ego, and death holds no fearsome grasp at last understanding the temporary identification with the finite. In emptiness you have stopped running from whom you really are. It is overwhelming while still sitting in the seat of being an individual that you are not alone even though you are one. Impermanence will lead you to emptiness.
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Dec.29.2013
03:12AM EDT 
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vertical line "Practicing Zen is an act of enlightenment." beautifully expressed.I won't talk about the rest.
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Reply from football
Dec.29.2013
03:25AM EDT 
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vertical line Why do I say that? Enlightenment is white.en-light-en-ment it's meaning has on its own.
As therefore we can say that Practicing Zen is White.
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Reply from justin
Dec.29.2013
11:19AM EDT 
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vertical line i gotta agree with Lao, a person can not consider themselves enlightened because that would mean they consider themselves a person.

Uselessness is absolutely the case, there is no purpose to  practice, but practice if there was a purpose that would be saying there is a person to decide purpose/ not purpose.


i cant talk about enlightenment but i can say sometimes a door will open and close behind, there is no re opening even if you might want to, although this is a silly idea for me to discuss because if you know something as it is why would you want to (considering you understand what it is you might like to do) not know it ????

like calling a dog a bird and expecting it to fly
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Reply from jaigon
Dec.29.2013
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vertical line Quote: "Sitting is never useless....LOL... what a jetsky...LOL "
.........Nothing has any use or purpose other than to experience.  You may say eating is important to live, living is important to have children, and children are important for furthering the human race.  But then what does furthering the human race do?  It is just a spinning wheel.  It looks pretty when it spins, so leave it at that.
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Reply from cinchona
Dec.30.2013
08:28AM EDT 
vertical line Question everything,
most of all question yourself.
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Reply from so_teh
Dec.30.2013
05:23PM EDT 
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vertical line I am the silent light.
I am the violent light.
I am enlightenment.
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Reply from Woodsman
Dec.30.2013
09:39PM EDT 
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vertical line We speak alone in silence

where no one else can hear

But the breeze above us, surrounding us, as the sky holds the trees, shrubs, flower tops.
All here, we listen to each

one as our own, speechless.. . nature

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Reply from so_teh
Jan.01.2014
03:28AM EDT 
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Quote: "We speak alone in silence



where no one else can hear



But the breeze above us, surrounding us, as the sky holds the trees, shrubs, flower tops.

All here, we listen to each



one as our own, speechless.. . nature



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftV5-1Oh0A&feature=youtu.be

This one is called, Light Above The Trees

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Reply from Woodsman
Jan.03.2014
12:02PM EDT 
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vertical line Wow, beautiful... and on a bamboo flute, natural, lovely. 
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Reply from leoj99
Jan.03.2014
11:57PM EDT 
vertical line Superb.. thats enlightenment...LOL
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Reply from football
Jan.04.2014
09:18AM EDT 
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1,2,3,...

you can count..you can count those which you can hold with your hands and see with your eyes.Can you hold your mind?No Therefore going from laws to truth is useless.
that you can never find the truth.

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Reply from leoj99
Jan.04.2014
12:26PM EDT 
vertical line Why not?
What truth are  you looking for?...LOL...LOL
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Reply from Riverstone
Jan.04.2014
04:55PM EDT 
vertical line A mistake is often made in reference to True Nature. The mistake is believing that True Nature can be understood through the constructs of intellect and logic. We have learned to use intellectual, logical processes to bring about interesting and helpful things in the world. So they are not "bad" in and of themselves. Yet, there is that which can not be uncovered through relational, dualistic observation, namely, true nature. This is why emphasis is placed on doing rather than thinking...
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Reply from cinchona
Jan.05.2014
06:32AM EDT 
vertical line Nice music, thankgod for our senses.
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Jan.05.2014
07:08AM EDT 
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Quote: "Why not?
What truth are  you looking for?...LOL...LOL
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Yes I said so

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Reply from so_teh
Jan.06.2014
08:10PM EDT 
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vertical line We certainly believe that awakening our Mind is real. And we believe that in this, we have the opportunity to see our self nature in relation to world-earth. The Dharma becomes our reference to live a natural, conscious life of good and wisdom. Moment to moment we follow the Way, our way. And in our small offerings and kindnesses we learn what works and what is still needing.
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