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  One day a monk paid a visit to Tinh Khong (1091-1170), a Vietnamese Zen master,
who was of the tenth generation of Vo Ngon Thong lineage, and asked:
-From old days it was talked about "direct pointing", what does that mean?
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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: THE PHILOSOPHER AND ZEN MASTER
vertical line Posted on Mar.30.2014 @ 07:05PM EDT by leoj99
The Philosopher and Zen Master.... Amen...LOL

The Philosopher thinks of a question such as:.. What is the Truth, What is the Reason for Life.. he thinks these are profound questions in life.
And then he thinks of an answer or answers to these questions.. then he ask his students to ask these profound questions for themselves too.. and then think of the answer.. and then talk and debate about it.. day in and day out... sometimes get drunk just to think of the answer to these questions.. but it takes thousands of years to answer these questions...LOL..

A Zen Master.. don't ask or think questions like those... he knows that the problem suffering, wars, conflicts... with others and conflict even in themselves... He does not debate.. he just tell his students to sit with him facing a blank wall counting the breathe,, breathe in and out.. hoping that everybody can stop thinking...Imagine.. facing a blank wall to end suffering, wars, conflicts...LOL

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Reply from leoj99
Mar.30.2014
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vertical line The Zen Master advice you to drink water or tea only.. when you are sitting facing a blank wall...LOL
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Mar.30.2014
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Do you think to sit facing a blank wall?
the most difficult part

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vertical line Oh, here I am, sitting here facing this wall with nothing to say or think about.
My wall is a sliding glass door where I can look out and see the clouds in the clear blue sky, water dripping off the roof's edge from melting snow, (are you still, with me?) Tibetan prayer flags hang from the roof's corner edge outside to a section below an outside window... they are moving in a gentle breeze, let me look... oh, the are still... now, still.
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Reply from leoj99
Mar.31.2014
04:16PM EDT 
vertical line Philosophers post the question: "What do we understand?" And after much thinking their answer is:" We understand what we can understand." The all say it is a great answer after days and years of debates using very precise phrases...

The Zen Master who is sitting facing a blank wall will not even take a minute to deal with such question. He says that is no answer. It is just a mind trick...LOL

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I understand

-thank you

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Apr.02.2014
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vertical line Philosophers create phrases where they will live by their life.. they call it sayings or wise words as a rule to live their lives...

Zen Masters don't rely on any words.. no phrases to live by... they just eat, just walk, just sleep... just jump and laugh...LOL..
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vertical line If you cut us ... do we not bleed???
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Apr.03.2014
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vertical line "Imagine.. facing a blank wall to end suffering, wars, conflicts..."


Just because one does seemingly silly antics in an attempt to gain a better insight into themselves and human nature, does not mean that they must be passive at all times. 


To paraphrase a parable, if you take a bucket of water out on a full moon night and stir the water, you will see ribbons of light.  But allow the water to settle, and you will witness the moon come together in pieces of waves. 


That doesn't mean that one can now control the moon.  Likewise, to see the reason behind wars and suffering will not immediately bring it all to an end.

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Apr.04.2014
11:10PM EDT 
vertical line But actually that is the only way to stop suffering, wars and conflicts... sit and face a blank wall... take it from the Zen Masters...LOL
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