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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: TO BE EXPECTED..?
vertical line Posted on Apr.10.2017 @ 06:21AM EDT by merseymale
Hi
My 1st post!

I got involved with Bhudism many years ago with something called NKT but it was too involved for me & I got out as it were

Now I am older I tealisr that I am a VERY indisciplined person & perhaps I should have 'stuck with it' -or with ANYthing! ;-)

Then I discovered Alan Watts on YouTube & was very impressed but (usefully) without any idea why so when I found a well regarded Zen centre very close by I got involved straight away

I found it difficult (surprise!! surprise!!) because there is SO much once incence, chanting, memorising, ritual, walking etc & when I commented on this I was told "well you wouldn't want to come out here just to sit still in a room full of strangers would you?" But THAT bit of the activities is the part I find useful

I imagine that the others can manage meditation well enough at home but I cannot. I am a follower not a leader, alas & am better learner in a group setting

So perhaps this post's title should read "is it necessary..?"

Am I expecting too little of a religion?

Am I just being distracted & ill disciplined?

I can't bring myself to go back & do things when I prefer to 'do nothing' so to speak! Am I being lazy?

ANY thought would be gratefully considered & Thank You in advance
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Apr.11.2017
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vertical line Watch your shadows.
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Reply from Avisitor
Apr.12.2017
08:21PM EDT 
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vertical line If you try to make yourself disciplined then you are forcing yourself to do things which are not what you want.
The flow of life is wanting the things one has and to be happy with them
So, you need to figure out what it is you really want and then follow your heart.
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Reply from so_teh
Apr.20.2017
12:57PM EDT 
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vertical line I got interested, I've had awakening, I've dropped awakening. Now I'm just myself before I got interested.
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Apr.20.2017
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vertical line Nothing changes. Accept it.
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Reply from Phil Space
Apr.20.2017
03:56PM EDT 
vertical line This will never end 'cause I want more
more, give me more
give me more ... ...
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Reply from so_teh
Apr.21.2017
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vertical line So, you have Alan Watts, Thich Nhat Hanh, Osho and J. Krishnamurti.

You are informed by these kind fellows. Now you're sitting here thinking to yourself, "Who am I in what they have to teach?" They are educators. And for love to be, education must be. You need education in order to love. You should not imitate the education you should find out who you are as an expression of the education.
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Reply from so_teh
Apr.21.2017
07:11PM EDT 
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vertical line Meditation is about to fail. You have already seen it hit the mainstream. Sales are through the roof. The Dharma of meditation is lost. I hope you're laughing because I am. Don't try to save it now! Ha!
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Apr.21.2017
07:12PM EDT 
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vertical line That's what's to be expected...
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Reply from so_teh
Apr.22.2017
09:15PM EDT 
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vertical line Mu

Elematate your drama,
Empty the cup.

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Apr.22.2017
09:17PM EDT 
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vertical line Eliminate*
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Apr.23.2017
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vertical line To whom it may concern
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Apr.23.2017
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vertical line Today is Sunday. I woke up. Had a cup of coffee. Started my laundry. Sat for an hour. Ate. Floated some time. Talked to mom. Took a walk. Drank some water. Took a long nap since I'm a little under the weather. Woke up. Had a smoke with my brother. Ate a piece of cake, milk and a mandarin orange. Finished my laundry. Watched the last half of a program with my dad. Now I'm up just listening for our cat to come home. It was a beautiful sunshine day today. In the high 40s. The birds were singing in harmony all day. There was a peaceful quiet this evening. I think I here my cat rustling arounds in the woods...
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Apr.24.2017
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vertical line How do you teach someone to sit in time out for an hour?
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Apr.25.2017
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vertical line When going on a road trip, one doesn't really notice the changes until one stops and looks around. Maybe go to the local diner and eat. The menu changes? People talk funny? And so that is the path one is on.
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Apr.25.2017
08:15PM EDT 
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vertical line I have few friends. Mainly my family are my friends. And if we're lucky enough to become friends we become family.
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Apr.27.2017
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vertical line My heart is disappearing
Not the organ
But the poetic heart
The heart that loves and hates
Passing into nothingness
Fading beyond nothingness
Leaving no memories
Expiring
Ecstatic
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Reply from Phil Space
Apr.27.2017
05:22AM EDT 
vertical line A foolish man never knows the measure of his own stomach.

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Apr.27.2017
05:31AM EDT 
vertical line "Fearlessness is better than a faint heart for any man who puts his nose out of doors. The length of my life and the day of my death were fated long ago".

Morris Berman observes that one of things that hastens the end of Empires is that the ruling powers -and indeed the wider culture- does everything wrong. Not necessarily morally wrong, just wrong. Wrong policy, wrong words, wrong actions, wrong decisions.

Like how a plane crash isn't caused by just one thing but by a string of errors and failures.

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Apr.27.2017
08:42PM EDT 
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vertical line How virtuous is it to examine the roots of mind anymore? Do the issues of life remain political? Who among us is a civilized person? Perhaps the simplest state of being is bliss... in that case, what are most aspiring for?

If fate is a relationship based on the collective consciousness and more closely the consciousness of your species then how are the course of your personal actions determined by and to meet the results of your peers?
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Apr.27.2017
08:55PM EDT 
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vertical line If fate is the relationship based on collective consciousness and more closely the consciousness of your own species then how is the course of your personal freedom determined by meeting the demands of your peers?

Worded better. I was running out of juice.
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Reply from Phil Space
Apr.28.2017
05:38AM EDT 
vertical line I don't know. It probably depends on how big your universe is.

"We must somehow make the relay, inherit the trouble, and reinvent the conditions for multispecies flourishing, not just in a time of ceaseless human wars and genocides, but in a time of human-propelled mass extinctions... We must dare to make that relay; that is to create, to fabulate, in order not to despair. In order to induce a transformation, perhaps, but without the artificial loyalty that would resemble 'in the name of a cause', no matter how noble it might be."

~ Donna Haraway

And as another county was heard to remark:

"Don't let the dessert cart on the Titanic pass you by"
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Apr.28.2017
09:37PM EDT 
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vertical line Good thought.

I wonder why people are rude? An everyday rudeness. An indirect rudeness. From my casual observings I see a lack of softness in communities. Even my town is generally good natured and progressive and full of positive energy. Yet, what is this rude seed that seems to grow so deep in the young and old? And they seem almost unconscious of it. Like it's a normal attitude a person must learn. And that's all it is, a learned behavior.
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Apr.28.2017
10:35PM EDT 
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vertical line Can we recognize the Spring
Can we recognize our neighbor
Can we recognize a cloudy day
Can we recognize a sorrow
Can we recognize a piece of garbage
Can we recognize a seedling
Can we recognize the mother, the father, the family
Can we recognize a deep thought
Can we recognize a vegetable on our plate

What does it really take?
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Apr.29.2017
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vertical line Thought is difficult.
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Apr.29.2017
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vertical line I have a dense will. I'm don't usually move for the sake of moving.
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Apr.29.2017
10:00PM EDT 
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vertical line Grave.
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Apr.30.2017
11:26AM EDT 
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vertical line Sitting, standing, walking and lying down
Breathing in and breathing out
Body, mind and speech
Today is here
You have it
With it you can make what you want
Watch and go
Footsteps and buttprints
What is it?
Just see to it!
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