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vertical line Posted on Jan.26.2018 @ 03:25PM EDT by Enver m.
Do you do zazen?

How often?

Is zazen what you understand from what?

And what do we do in Zazen?
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Reply from so_teh
Jan.26.2018
06:26PM EDT 
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vertical line You don't know what you're actually doing in Zazen, when you are sitting there, you don't know what you sit there for, why you are doing Zazen you don't know, sitting still there's no point and no awareness of sitting, no emptiness or no form, your choice of doing Zazen is not your choice, your reason for sitting Zazen has no importance, the value of Zazen is the absence of the value of Zazen, You are the puppet.
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Reply from Enver m.
Jan.27.2018
01:53AM EDT 
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vertical line I don't have a chance to think.
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Jan.27.2018
02:51AM EDT 
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vertical line What is purification that we hear most?What are we purifying from?
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Reply from Phil Space
Jan.27.2018
06:03AM EDT 
vertical line Purification by awakening, by self-initiation utilising the cleansing rain of a coconut lasagne.
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Reply from so_teh
Jan.27.2018
11:48AM EDT 
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vertical line Mu

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Reply from Enver m.
Jan.28.2018
04:17AM EDT 
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vertical line dailyzen:

The first month of summer all the plants are tall
the trees around my house are dense
birds are glad to have a place to roost
I love this refuge of mine too

having finished the plowing and planting
I've returned to my books again
such a remote lane doesn't see many ruts
it tends to deter even the carts of friends

I enjoy a cup of spring wine
and vegetables fresh from the garden
the lightest of rains comes from the east
and with it a welcome breeze

I skimmed the Tale of King Mu
and I glanced at the pictures 
in Mountains and Waters
having surveyed the whole world
how can I not be happy

- T'ao Yuan-ming (365-427)

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Reply from Phil Space
Jan.28.2018
11:31AM EDT 
vertical line Take yer crap and feck off.
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Reply from Enver m.
Jan.28.2018
12:17PM EDT 
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vertical line TOOL:10 FACTS!
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=TbyDxRb8IPo
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Reply from Phil Space
Jan.28.2018
01:30PM EDT 
vertical line For you, zazen is a symbolic representation of the dream of your suffering.
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Reply from SunWuKong
Jan.29.2018
08:49PM EDT 
vertical line Yes, we sit in zazen. Several times a day. Zazen is a non-wandering, naturally centered, and balanced mind. It is not about letting the mind wander. If no thoughts or feelings arise, that's fine. If they do, don't judge them, it's natural. We simly return to the practice. Just know zazen is not about thoughts or feelings or any of the typical things the mind does. It is about going beyond these things to awaken to the true empty nature of mind.
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Jan.29.2018
10:57PM EDT 
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vertical line I took the recycling out this evening and snow was falling lightly. The moon was bright through the clouds but not visible. There was a humming sound through the neighborhood and woods. It was quiet and chill. I stopped and stood still. Just being. Solitary winter's night. I wish you were there to understand [this] Zazen but it is like anything... You must experience it for yourself and not through my words.
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Reply from Enver m.
Jan.30.2018
01:36AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Yes, we sit in zazen.
Several times a day.
Zazen is a non-wandering, naturally centered, and balanced mind. It is not about letting the mind wander. If no thoughts or feelings arise, that's fine. If they do, don't judge them, it's natural. We simly return to the practice. Just know zazen is not about thoughts or feelings or any of the typical things the mind does. It is about going beyond these things to awaken to the true empty nature of mind.
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Thank you SunWuKong and welcome.
Is the true nature and the empty nature of mind same things?
Or what is the difference between them?
As we heard mostly about finding true nature and i spent many years for this on pondering.
Now i see is that the only way on pondering on this is possible by awaken to the true empty nature of mind.
What could you share on?
thanks



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Reply from Phil Space
Jan.30.2018
04:27AM EDT 
vertical line Try it. Give it a go. Your pretence will provide you with something upon which to exercise your compassion. Or read Dune. And Journey to Arrakis.
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Reply from Enver m.
Jan.30.2018
05:59AM EDT 
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vertical line i'll try it.thanks
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Reply from SunWuKong
Jan.30.2018
06:19PM EDT 
vertical line Sure! Don't worry about the fine print here. You sit like Mt. Sumeru, and take back your life. Quiet, peaceful, calm. Then direct your attention to knowing nothing lasts forever, people don't have a "Self", we are constantly changing, not the same person from one time to the next. If we cling to things, it makes us hurt, if we stop clinging, it stops hurting. Then, you sit like Mt. Sumeru...
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Reply from Enver m.
Jan.31.2018
05:00AM EDT 
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vertical line It is what you understand from what
could this be have a book!

-Everything is everything!-

when mind empty
empty mind:Do not carry anything in your head

So that you can know everything!

This is my practice!
Empty mind

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Reply from Phil Space
Jan.31.2018
05:39AM EDT 
vertical line That empty mind of yours wow, woo hoo. Is it brain damage? Is it white? Or is it black? Today? All hail the empty mind - in a million posts, with a thousand faces talkin' 'bout that empty ol'mind of yours ad infinitum, world without end Amen.
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Jan.31.2018
05:40AM EDT 
vertical line "From what this could be have a book?" What the * does that even mean? Any of it? Please master help us.
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Jan.31.2018
09:04AM EDT 
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vertical line I mean with there is no book, that there is nothing to learn from a book.Therefore it has no book.It is all about you.inherent.organic.intrinsic.internal.naturally present...Geddit?
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Reply from Phil Space
Jan.31.2018
09:29AM EDT 
vertical line What I get is some more of your usual imitation of learning for advantage.
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Jan.31.2018
12:28PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "How many of you are there?"
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Some more than yours.
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Reply from Phil Space
Jan.31.2018
01:57PM EDT 
vertical line Whoa, I've drawn 'em out.
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Reply from Enver m.
Jan.31.2018
02:08PM EDT 
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vertical line Seek some chinese art.
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Reply from Phil Space
Jan.31.2018
04:11PM EDT 
vertical line I can freehand a brain tattoo for ya. No need for a transfer.
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Reply from Enver m.
Feb.01.2018
02:55AM EDT 
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vertical line Ha Ha Ha
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Reply from so_teh
Feb.01.2018
09:47AM EDT 
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vertical line Zazen is important as a definition and technique so that I could be aware of the thing-of-practice called Zazen. Now, knowing the "what is zazen" Zazen has turned over to merely "me-sitting." If you understand Zazen, you understand that YOU are important, not Zazen.
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Reply from Enver m.
Feb.01.2018
10:42AM EDT 
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vertical line You are the puppet
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Reply from Phil Space
Feb.01.2018
11:18AM EDT 
vertical line Amen
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Feb.01.2018
11:37AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "You are the puppet"
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Thank you, I am, it feels great to let go of responsibility but it's not for you to say to me or determine for me. You must see it for yourself. And accept it.

One person's capacity to trust is a handful. Please don't trust anyone here on Zenguide.com. You're limited to only a few. Don't waste one on me.

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Reply from Enver m.
Feb.01.2018
12:30PM EDT 
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vertical line I don't even trust the US president.(nor anyone at zenguide.com)
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Reply from so_teh
Feb.02.2018
09:10AM EDT 
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vertical line Remember who you are is congruent with [your] mind.

Keep your mind congruent with yourself.

Know your mind as equally as you know yourself.

Be confident in your mind and trust yourself.
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Feb.02.2018
11:47AM EDT 
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vertical line hard issues, i think you're right
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Reply from Enver m.
Feb.02.2018
11:48AM EDT 
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vertical line i want peace and serenity
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Reply from Enver m.
Feb.02.2018
12:47PM EDT 
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vertical line devil(satan) wants war
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Reply from Phil Space
Feb.02.2018
04:12PM EDT 
vertical line It doesn't matter what you say, you've already mortgaged your corpse to Satan.
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Feb.02.2018
11:24PM EDT 
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vertical line %50 of me has sympathy for devil but my other %50 of my spirit is fighting with him.
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Reply from Enver m.
Feb.03.2018
04:17AM EDT 
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vertical line It is interesting, isn't it.It sounds like a Punker(that punk rocker) but i'm a Zenist!
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Reply from Phil Space
Feb.03.2018
05:46AM EDT 
vertical line Baphomet created the internet in order to train the faithful.
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Feb.15.2018
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