One day Yao-shan Wei-yen (750-834), one of the well-known Chinese Ch'an master, was asked by the host of the monastery to give his sermon to the assembly who for a long while was expecting his teaching. Yao-shan said: "Strike the bell."
FOOD & DONATION
CT: Buddhism: "There is nothing given, no person who gives, no person who receives, just giving." Zen: "No working one day, no eating one day."
Charles: today, working and eating, one with another.
Lynn: But then someone gives you a gift and everything changes to gratitude.
CT: Who is "someone"? Who is "you"? What is the gift? and what is everything? Oh! maybe you are talking about what happened to yourself. Right? If so, it would be absolutely correct.
Woodsman: Just make out the check to chontri care of zenguide.com, or amazon.com, we like that too...)
Master Zen: oh ya?
Woodsman: Some folks just have o talent. without question
They only get a pencil without an earaser, man, that noisy.
CT: John Woodsman,
You sound like you have donnated some money from selling woods to Amazon.com. You are supposed to say "Thanks!" to Amazon.com.
ChonTri has nothing to do with that.
Woodsman: I want to talk to alan.
CT: About the money you donated to Amazon.com or something else?
Woodsman: No, I want to talk to him about you.
CT: What's the problem, Woodman? Where did it come? from ChonTri or from Woodsman?
If saying that it came from ChonTri, this would not be correct because ChonTri himself got no problems, such as donating money to Amazon.com.
If saying that it came from Woodsman, this might be correct because Woodsman donated some money from woods sale to Amazon.com and now he might want it back, and this caused some problem for him. If this is the case, he would rather talk to some Amazon.com representative.
Woodsman: How is an answer any better from one mouth than any other? Whether Buddhist, Zennist, chontri, alan, or Woodsman, all the same answer, is it not?
CT: The mouth that ate should have to work. The mouth that did not eat might not have to work.
Stephen: Eating is about the consumption of the fruit of the earth. Working is about the consumption of the labor needed. Both are needed for balance and non-suffering. We should be thankfull for both. MU
Lynn: ChonTri, how does one know if they have eatten or not?
Have you eaten yet? If you have, that's it. If you have not yet, go to the kitchen, get something and eat.
Lynn: Chontri, from where are you looking from? to answer yes or no is impossible is it not?
CT: Right in front.
Lynn: "tick, tock"
Master Zen: if there is "nothing given", how could there be "giving"?
Lynn: Wouldn't this depend upon what your definition of nothing is?
CT & Visitors 08/07/04
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