One day a monk paid a visit to Tinh Khong (1091-1170), a Vietnamese Zen master, who was of the tenth generation of Vo Ngon Thong lineage, and asked:
-From old days it was talked about "direct pointing", what does that mean?
WHAT IS ART?
A monk asked Yun-men, a Chinese Ch'an master: -Whatis Buddha? Yun-men said: -Dried shitstick.
(From Wu-men Kuan, case 21. Robert Aitken's translation.)
If someone asked ChonTri: -What is art? ChonTri would say: -Last night, a monkey wetted his pants with rain. This morning, he got it over a branch for drying.
Is there anything wrong with those words?
boymonk: There's no space between '-What' and 'is' in the second line.
CT: If you can fix it , just go ahead.
Woodsman: Yeah, too serious. Relax and enjoy some lemon sherbert.
Good thing that monkey did not crap in his pants. That would have been wrong, but not for the monkey.
A stick would be helpful though. Try wipin' that monkey's butt.
CT: It is not serious or non-serious. It is just as-it-is. And that's why he does not need to relax or enjoy lemon sherbert. He is just as-he-is.
crossroads: WHAT IS BUDDAH, BUDDAH IS A SYMBOL OF A MAN FROM THE TIME PAST, WHAT I AM ABOUT TO TELL WILL NOT BE FOUND IN BOOKS BUT COMES FROM THE KNOWLEDGE, TO BE A BUDDAH IS TO FIND ONES POSE WITHIN THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH THEN TO ALINE ONES BODY INBETWEEN IT'S ENERGY FROM HEAVEN AND EARTH TO MATCH AND MIMIC THE FEELING OF THE SPOT THAT PASSES OVER FROM THE HEAVENS AND TO MATCH THE POINT THE PASSES BELOW THE EARTHS SOIL WITH ONES BODY INBETWEEN THE TWO, AT THIS ONE POINT OF THE CROSS OF THE TWO POINTS AND IF THE EARTH IS MIMICED WITHIN THE BODY AND THE HEAVENS WITHIN THE MIND, YOU AS A PERSON BECOME UNKOWN TO ALL THAT IS AND WILL BE FOR YOU ARE FELT AND SEEN AS THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, THEN FROM THIS MOMENT OF SILENCE YOU WILL HEAR YOUR OWN BIRTH KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU USED TO CREATE YOUR MORTAL FORM, SOUNDS OF TONES AND CLICKS AND HUMES WITHIN AS YOUR BODY FEELS AS IT IS BEING ELECTRICUTED BY A VOLTAGE THAT VIBERATES YOUR HEAD SO QUICKLY AND TINGLES YOUR BODY BUT HOLD YOUR FOCCUS AND PASS THROUGH THE PAIN THEN YOU WILL SEE YOUR OWN LIFE AND BE TRULEY ENLIGHTEN BY YOUR OWN HAND OF FATE.
druss4801: BUDDHA MUST BE GETTING LOUDER THAN HE USED TO BE.
CT: From Woodsman ****Good thing that monkey did not crap in his pants. That would have been wrong, but not for the monkey.****
It would be wrong because what was said has been grasped in a wrong way.
"Monkey?" "It's said about "me". Me's never a monkey. That man must intend to insult "me". That man must have some negative motive to "me". Hum! I must fight him back!
How could a monkey have any pants to wet with rain. Only a man - like "me" - has pants. Hum! I must fight him back!
When someone says that the pants of the monkey is his fur that cover his lower part of body, and it got wet by rain during the night and not by uring to it!
Oh! Oh! Why didn't "me" think it that way? Why didn't "me" think it that way? Thinking is in patterns. It's a habit. And it's hard to realize!
But what the heck he said about "art"!
It must be a painting of naked beautiful girl on the wooden board over the water pond with many colorful flowers. That may attract the eyes of many and many men and wemen on the earth. Right?
It must be a beautiful guitar that "me" could make a river of sweet sounds that might satisfy thousands of ears. Right?
But he said that art is as a monkey that wetted his paint with rain and then hanged itself over a branch to dry it.
He must be a weird man! He did not understand what "art" is! He must be a weird man!
If he wants to undersatnd what my art is, He must grasp a brush in his hand to paint something or must bear a guitar on his back, and walk along some street in singing a lonely song!
Afterall, he did not know and understand what the true art is!
In every dream-home a heartache. Every dream-home should have two. Mine's a pair.
CT: Everyone would have two or one, at least. ChonTri did not have even one. That's why he got to borrow from Yun-men to use once in emergency. What belonged to Cesar, it was returned to Cesar. Now he walks with empty-handed.
softzen: wash hands before preparing food
softzen: >-Last night, a monkey wetted his pants with rain. This morning, he got it over a branch for drying.< ---------------------------------- Bend over here it comes again!!
softzen: >IT IS BEING ELECTRICUTED BY A VOLTAGE THAT VIBERATES YOUR HEAD SO QUICKLY AND TINGLES YOUR BODY BUT HOLD YOUR FOCCUS AND PASS THROUGH THE PAIN THEN YOU WILL SEE YOUR OWN LIFE AND BE TRULEY ENLIGHTEN BY YOUR OWN HAND OF FATE. < -------------------------- aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! good-buzzin, cool-talkin, all-singin, hip-swivellin, all-dancin, ever-givin, motivatin shitstick
Ah don't care who y'are or what size y'are, Ah'm gonna magnetize ya!
stephen: Old man: Why do you speak of shit sticks and monkey piss? Is a history lesson needed? All is fair game but is commonness our truth? MU
Keith: If this fool had a thing to say! i'D WACK HIN=M WITH A STICK!!!
Sometime he piss his pants too! But he not brag about it!
I've seen my good friend dog piss. and the clean up with his tongue! Someone should teach this dog a few things! But can a old dog learn a new trick???????
I have learned to love my teachers! But love is just an illusion!
My mind is even. And not in any place. Accept where it finds itself. Nowhere, except here with you. Sorry!
Post reply. What does it matter?????
fatnhappy: this beautiful round belly.
Master Zen: you're all nut-cases.
fatnhappy: dont forget to include self you old rat bastard :)
QuietSoul: This forum's in motion.
the inmates playing tin cup xylophone cell bars rattling while Clint Eastwood takes out a shiv from his shoe-heel and starts tunneling away in the dark cell in the corner...
CT: From stephen ****Old man: Why do you speak of shit sticks and monkey piss? Is a history lesson needed? All is fair game but is commonness our truth? MU****
Stephen, It seems that you'd like to borrow the stick to use it for a while , right? You are a little late. It is already return to its master.
However, if you are still interested in borrowing. There is someone around here told that he got a pair of them. You might want to see him and borrow one from him and use it if you need. His name is perhaps softzen or hardzen, whateverzen or whereverzen..., this old man can't remember it well.
By the way, please do me a favor. When you see him, just tell him this: "Sir, please take care of yourself, other people can take care of themselves."
CT: From Keith: ****Sometime he piss his pants too! But he not brag about it!****
Now he comes here and brags about his own story.
From Keith ****If this fool had a thing to say! i'D WACK HIN=M WITH A STICK!!!****
What for is to use the imagined stick, Keith?
Woodsman: It is raining, monkey can't piss this morning, or won't. You are making him nervous. Try running some water in the sink. Or just sit down by a stream, and forget about it.
softzen: I can't piss if you're watching.
zbishak: >>>In every dream-home a heartache. Takes you further from heaven.<<<
Though the world is my oyster, its only a shell for the memories.
CT: From Woodsman ****It is raining, monkey can't piss this morning, or won't. You are making him nervous. Try running some water in the sink. Or just sit down by a stream, and forget about it.****
It seems that Woodsman is well versed on the monkey, so take care of him. When the morning is over but he still can't piss, maybe he gets a constipation. If so, it will not be your fault.
Woodsman: Fault, no fault... What's the difference? I admit... all illusion.
CT: To ChonTri, there is somewhat difference. It would be better for him if he could see his own faults than others'.
Woodsman: All faults have explanations, it is being human.
CT: It seems that Woodsman got something to say or explain. Right? If so, just go ahead.
Woodsman: You must be joking. Let me explain...
CT: Keep going on,... listening.
In case the mind wanders in to unchosen waters. I would make a motion of my hand flashing over my bald head.
CT: From Woodsman Zip!
Oh! A chance to be a human being is already lost.
From Woodsman ****In case the mind wanders in to unchosen waters. I would make a motion of my hand flashing over my bald head.****
To see if any hair left on it. Right?
Woodsman: Not out of choice. Or anything that seemed like it for any extended period of time. Nice try.
Woodsman: What does a joke sound like when explained? Or have we answered that one?
But forgot to laugh.
My memory as to the exact reason for this pleasing me has failed.
A no fault memory does not seek out the why in things until done.
And then begs off the undone labor end of it. Please, please... No more questions that work.
CT: From Woodsman ****But forgot to laugh.****
When ChonTri cried he cried. When he smiled he smiled. When he laughed he laughed. When he displeased he displeased. When he pleased he pleased.
Forgetting or remembering to do something like that did not matter to what happened.
CT: From Woodsman ****And then begs off the undone labor end of it. Please, please... No more questions that work.****
You are on your own, John Woodsman.
Woodsman: Nothing new.
One hands these things into the sky, in reaching for the sun.
PondOfMu: Open your minds. Mu. There is no Pant to be worn nor a monkey that can wear the pant. the pant on the man is a scam. only pureness like a white fluffy lamb.
Woodsman: Is there nothing to qualify one's experience?
QuietSoul: Worn heels and piss-drips on the toilet seat?
softzen: Lift the toilet seat up before you piss and replace afterwards.
fatnhappy: loose sence of "im a man"and sit down .no piss on seat or floor.
Lynn: potty training? no sense of "im a Man", just doing business.
fatnhappy: you stand when you pee lynn , now i want to see that.:)
Lynn: hee hee... just laugh too hard and cough... :)
QuietSoul: I'll try the pond. I bet I still splash Mr Gnome.
lehish: >loose sence of "im a man" and sit down. no piss on seat or floor .<
PondOfMu: there is no man. there is One. We are it. it is us. there is no piss.
Master Zen: oh, is that so?
fatnhappy: whats that stain on your legg then?:)
Hiroclark: I guess ChonTri was saying art is a manisifation of the mind on creativeness...
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