Ching-yuan Wei-hsin, a Chinese Ch'an master, once said this:
Thirty years ago, when having not studied Ch'an, this monk saw mountain was mountains and water was water.
Later, when following the good teacher's guide, this monk...
A DEVIL'S ADVOCATE
CT: He called me dog, He called me monkey. He hurt my feeling, He dishonored my human dignity. He who lives with such thoughts lives in hate. He who lives in hate lives in suffering.
He scolded me deaf, He scolded me dumb, He hit my head, He injured my soul. He who lives with such thoughts lives in anger. He who lives in anger lives in suffering.
He killed my kids, he raped my wife. He burned my house, he broke my car. I want him dead, I want him killed. He who lives with such thoughts lives in hatred He who lives in hatred lives in suffering.
Master Zen: Human dignity is the problem, false identification
shayne: or it is not to know my attention is no differant than yours. the truth.....we are beings of sensing.
Master Zen: identical beings, bravo my friend, you d' man
Hiroclark: Judged others and still does not know himself...hmmm tobad for that guy.
lehish: volcano starflower oceans moonsing
Hiroclark: lehish you speak about structures of this earth tell how do you compare structures with a mans additude I donot understand?
Woodsman: My question exacticus!
lehish: what structures hiro? woods? :)
Hiroclark: I think I understand now are you saying that the reactions of the structures and parts of the earth have effects that shape peoples attitude?!
Woodsman: A Hiro-erecticus!
Woodsman: Oh! Oh! Over there! A lehish-semanticus!
ash linger fire when nolonger ash?
Lynn: When I read this, I might have said a few of these, yet the focus became "He dishonored my human dignity". After, I have no idea where this discussion lead.??? MZ, will you please explain what you meant by your first post on this thread. Lynn
open-I: Dignity? Ego perhaps? Release it like an effortless shit. :)
stephen: Lynn, He who hates suffers. He who is hated does not suffer from being hated. MU
Lynn: The action of hate have been throughout mans existence, is this not so? He who is hated does suffer in the eyes of other and difference, would he not?
Hiroclark: MZ meant this people care about what they are and not who they are on the inside and in the end they will truely never find themselves because they choose not to grab the truth.
CT: From Lynn The action of hate have been throughout mans existence, is this not so? He who is hated does suffer in the eyes of other and difference, would he not?
"We are what we think. With our thoughts we make the world."
or We are the world and the world is us.
With hate we make the world hateful. The world full of hate, the world suffers The world suffers we suffer. We suffer the world suffers.
lehish: >With hate we make the world hateful. The world full of hate, the world suffers The world suffers we suffer. We suffer the world suffers.<
splashes cold water chontri face
CT: From lehish ****splashes cold water chontri face****
Right after cleaning the toilet for a while, some generous donor's offering some cold water to the face of old man ChonTri just in time.
Anything else anyone is going to offer?
However, when a gift is not received by him, it will automatically go back the giver.
shayne: >He who is hated does not suffer from being hated.<
i find this true in me. no where to touch at times. even IF they do...well its seen for what it is.
Lynn: throwing imaginary water from a plastic bottle? slips? bonk in the head?
stephen: A ignorance person hates, a wise person refuses to be hated. MU
shayne: hmmmm.....yeah. but some will hate regardless.
Master Zen: softzen, you're too smart for your own good. Dummy up.
CT: From softzen ****Hello Mr Chontri, christmastri, whatevertri, we don't have to "live in hatred to suffer" just live as a human being. Unless you know something I don't.****
Mr. ChonTri does not know anything other than what other people - like you, for example - might know. Maybe you might know a lot of things more than he might.
He is just a simple old man who lives in this world - the world where people have lived in and most of them have suffered day-n-night.
He sees the world as-it-is and lives with it - he lives with other people around him. He does not deny it or run away from it, or say, "I do not have to live in it".
He neither thinks that he lives in some other world where suffering does not exists nor asks others, "Just give me more suffering."
Supposedly, if his computer was hacked by someone and he has not known for sure who was the one did that, what he might need to do is to get others' help, such as ISP, to find out who did it and make that person pay for the computer repairement cost - if possible - instead of coming here crying out loud day-n-night for his pain of the computer hacked. Let alone he wouldn't put someone in doubt that maybe this person or maybe that person did it to him.
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