One day a monk paid a visit to Tinh Khong (1091-1170), a Vietnamese Zen master, who was of the tenth generation of Vo Ngon Thong lineage, and asked:
-From old days it was talked about "direct pointing", what does that mean?
CONTROL OR NOT-CONTROL
the d.o.m.: Great thinkers & talkers,
If one wants to control his lust, anger, desire, arrogance,... just let him do it.
If one does not want to control his lust, anger, desire, arrogance,... just leave him alone unless he harms you.
Control and not control both are the activities of thought, dualistic, and contradictory.
When one's mind is really free from thoughts, he will be in harmony with things around.
Lionel: When he is free, does that mean he can see without eye he can hear without ear & so forth......? Thanks~~~
shayne: ones mind points at these ..obscurities. just be one mind and see that they are opposites and choose neither one.
free to do is free to do. free to not do is free to do.
you see.....if i want to control i do. if i dont want to control im still controlling not to do.
still free to do so.
Woodsman: certain things seem to annoy me, and I could say something about it, used to... now I see an image of a sharp thing, sending out waves, each wave changes, the color and line becomes softer, until at the end, the border has a hand surrounding it, with a soft touch, what started off sharp becomes worn, softened by touch, a relationship to one's own, as a rose.
the d.o.m.: From Lionel When he is free, does that mean he can see without eye he can hear without ear & so forth......? Thanks~~~
Mr Lionel, He sees things-as-they-are.
Lionel: So this 'HE' who sees is never changing for a moment but things-as-they-are forever changing, right? If so where is this truth called 'he' here? Isn't it he should be somewhere or actually he is everywhere or nowhere? Just wonder? Thanks again!
miwuwei: well,as she...i dont care!.....but funny to see dom getting picky holding his teddy high furiously!(all our teddys are equal,but mine is nicer!lololololol)....
6-10 Chars: All things are in harmony. Lust, anger, desire, arrogance are instruments in a symphony. Self control and lack of self control are in harmony. Persons who accept and persons who reject are in harmony. Limitless freedom and stillness are in harmony.
Doreen: Nice post Woodsman
the d.o.m.: From 6-10 Chars All things are in harmony. Lust, anger, desire, arrogance are instruments in a symphony. Self control and lack of self control are in harmony. Persons who accept and persons who reject are in harmony. Limitless freedom and stillness are in harmony.
Mr 6-10 Chars, You're definitely correct in your post here. Suppose the one who has designed this website (not the d.o.m. who is illiterate about computer programming!) is going to remove all of your account out of the database, and this also is the perfect harmony in the sense of your post. Right?
the d.o.m.: From miwuwei well,as she...i dont care!.....but funny to see dom getting picky holding his teddy high furiously!(all our teddys are equal,but mine is nicer!lololololol)....
Ms Miyuwei, Of course, the d.o.m. is funny, picky, and furious. All teddys are equal, but only yours is nicer, according to you.
Lionel: She is nicer? Cos she is prettier? Or cos she is a lady? Inside must be warmer too lah... hahaha~~~ You have sense of humour here Mr DOM. Nice to see you around again!
the d.o.m.: Mr Lionel, What are you doing around here? Looking for a "nicer" woman?
Lionel: Just look at grasses, trees & flowers in your darkness evening. And of course you are one of them there. Oooh, or you might think we cannot see them in the darkness. I doubt we cannot! They smell nicer with wind blowing here & there... like your reaction reflecting into my mind. Hahaha!
Lionel: "This morning, tropical water's as pure as the glass Which hold it in for everything who'd come in need. The sun, human beings, animals, trees and grasses..., None of those who come is not satisfied in peace."
miwuwei: oh, holy Freud,....now dom develops a pussy envy!
miwuwei: well,your right in that dom...till now i did nt really felt challenged at the level i espect a good ball!you tend to be flat, men!
Lionel: Perhaps control or non-control is not the soup afterall... But we do its prework from here... don't we? Only taste awaring its nature... Then you know i know... No-one knows...
the d.o.m.: From miwuwei oh, holy Freud,....now dom develops a pussy envy!
Ms Miyuwei, You are wearing your Freudian sunglasses look at things and imaging too much.
the d.o.m.: From miwuwei well,your right in that dom...till now i did nt really felt challenged at the level i espect a good ball!you tend to be flat, men!
Ms Miyuwei, The ball you're talking about only exists in you thought and if you like to play with it, just do it by yourself. The d.o.m. has nothing to do with what you thought.
miwuwei: first thing...all people without a sens of humor+ selfirony are suspect to be really brightminded!....second...if that would be like this,you would not even notice me!...elementary logic!!!
shayne: creation lionel.
Lionel: Creation is conditional...... isn't it?
poor monk: I go this way and I go that way.
No one bars my way and none follow me.
The sky above me and the ground beneath.
shayne: creation is also uncondtional lionel. i like our discussions. you are after the heart of the matter. never stop friend. it depends on if we point to condiotinal lionel. pointing. look at it how YOU want. reality is somtimes made by mind..not what really is. both real. thoughts real. imagination real. delusion real. world real. just see where you point.
Lionel: Very much thank you Poor Monk & Shayne again with real encouragement. I am having another cup of coffee. May I offer both of you some haha!
Woodsman: Wait a minute! Was I sanctioned? Never mind, stupid.
Lionel: NO, you are not WOODS. May be I am lah! The breakfast is ready, see you......
the d.o.m.: From poor monk I go this way and I go that way. No one bars my way and none follow me. The sky above me and the ground beneath.
Mr Poor Monk, Welcome to this ground.
the d.o.m.: From Lionel ...The breakfast is ready, see you......
Mr Lionel, What time do you wake up over there?
Lionel: At this moment, our time here is 10.05 AM 22nd Nov 2004. I usually wake up before six, may be earlier. Morning new paper comes around 5.30 AM.
Woodchuck: The English word "control" is an interesting word. It goes back to an inventory of things being shipped from one place to another. When a ship arrived at its destination, the cargo could be checked against the inventory (controlle) to make sure everything arrived safely.
So it's not to much of a stetch to say that the word "control" carries the essential idea of watching things carefully and being aware of what's happening. You can't just load your goods on a ship, hire a crew, and expect your stuff to arrive safely at the destination without any further effort.
the d.o.m. & Visitors 11/18/2004
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