One day Yao-shan Wei-yen (750-834), one of the well-known Chinese Ch'an master, was asked by the host of the monastery to give his sermon to the assembly who for a long while was expecting his teaching. Yao-shan said: "Strike the bell."
A QUESTION ABOUT SEX & VIOLENCE
the d.o.m.: Great thinkers & talkers
This deluded old man has a question: Can we put an end to the obsession of sex pleasure & violence for justification in our minds?
6-10 Chars: Where evil battles good, evil prevails. Good prevails only where there is no battle.
Master Zen: I'm sorry, I don't understand the question
fatnhappy: like anything worth a damn it takes practice . as a good friend told me . its hard to find someone with the patience to have good sex . sex is not a release but a joining . i have felt it once . maybe itll happen again . sifting through a garbage dump to find a eyelash. violence is a human idea . male lions will eat there babys . for no reason. black widows kill there mates. this too is violence.but natures way.
Master Zen: Democrats kill themselves.... .... .....
Polly: I don't like admitting it but I have to echo MZ's sentiments...I don't understand the question either.
miwuwei: great thinkers had been mostly old jealous guys without viagra....so,forget it..i keep sex as part of my life!it´s beautifull to me as expression of intimacy+love!(i dislike porns,cause they make look sex as something boring!) ....,for the violence part,i would say...lets get rid of the subtle violence first hidden behind moral rules+religions who plays holy!than,the other violence will be disapeared as if it had never exist!...dont confond agression with violence...in psychology...agression is considerate as a therm for forwarding energy drive...at least in gestalt(like the baby going for the breast!....see fritz perls book..."hunger,i+agression"),....violence as far as i could observe it,the opposit goal...to keep others down from expression!(good example..mz!lol)
6-10 Chars: For Polly and Master Zen: I could be wrong, but I understood the question to ask if/how we could stop people from justifying cruelty with their obsession for sex. Behind all rape and abuse, there is the belief that the strength of one will determines the value of another. While there are philosphies which advocate this concept, Buddhism does not.
Number9: Democrats love sex, and Republicans love violence, so were bound to have one or the other in abundance at any given point in time.
miwuwei: well,put the guilt away from all this fanatics...will they still go to war?....have fun guys!..make love not war!
fatnhappy: #9 thats ignorant and you know it.
ilogos: the sexual act can be violently passionately pleasurable...there is a reason for that...there is no need to obsess about it, that's how it is...but you have war & peace, love & hate...perhaps it should be sex & death.
miwuwei: in the month my mum died,i made a lot of nude art pics of myself....a hudge need of lifeexpression!the sexual body as contrapoint to sincking into shit+piss+wounds+odors+too less sleep+ the normal blues!i had to feel myself,not as an appendice of her!understand who can!
6-10 Chars: What about my handcuffs, whips and chains? Isn't ALL sex a little violent (when it's good)? Ever have a "peaceful" orgasm?
fatnhappy: yes i have six ten . but i was tripin on acid . the whole experiance was undiscribable.
the d.o.m.: Mr. Master Zen, If you do not understand the question, just ignore it and no more problem at all.
shayne: yeah by not thinking and talking about it dom. mind becomes emptier and the less it points the more it desires the emptiness and purity of it. until....probably...boink...no mind no more. no pointing to falsehoods.
miwuwei: can it be that some goaty brats run away from their whirling hormones into a spiritual mousehole?lol....i can see their big but,not fitting into it!
Master Zen: personally I don't like whips and chains during sex you'll have to ask sawdust about that one
6-10 Chars: Dum licet inter nos igitue laetemur amantes; Non satis est ullo tempore longus amor. - Sextus Aurelius Propertius, Elegioe (I, 19, 25)
I looked them up! There's no record of these words! You are speaking a private language!
Polly: >If you do not understand the question, just ignore it and no more problem at all.<
If everyone took that approach we'd get nowhere.
miwuwei: militat omnis amans et habet sua castra cupido!ovid(amores 1,9,1)
6-10 Chars: Saepe creat molles aspera spina rosas. -Ovid
the d.o.m.: From Polly >If you do not understand the question, just ignore it and no more problem at all.< If everyone took that approach we'd get nowhere.///
Ms Polly, Those words were said to Mr Master Zen, not to you. And they were just colloquial(the d.o.m. got a chance and talked to Mr Master Zen for a while ago). They did not mean any "approach" or somewhere to reach at. The d.o.m. has no approachs or methods to get at anywhere. So, if you would like to get an approach or a way to go to somewhere, you might want to see someone else for it. It would be much better if you find it yourself. Good luck!
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