Ching Ch'ing, a Chinese Ch'an master, asked a monk:
-What is the sound outside?
The monk answered:
-That is the sound of rain.
The master said:
-Sentient beings are upside down, they lose themselves in pursuit of things.
zen-zen: "What is the matter with this DOM? Don't they have oranges where he comes from?" heh. :)
Lynn: "what is it?" ...I thought it's a pole?
ONE: Mr.DOM, the SUN is always rising.
poor monk: It is just this.
the d.o.m.: From zen-zen: Yes, yes! Have a look at the orange! The first approach! ;)
Mr Z-Z, If you think so, it's so to you, and you do not need to look at the orange anymore. And no approach is needed.
the d.o.m.: From zen-zen: "What is the matter with this DOM? Don't they have oranges where he comes from?" heh. :)
Mr Z-Z, It seems that the orange is the matter with you. Right?
the d.o.m.: From dragoss: if the earth was all land and you started at the north pole and walked round and round to the south pole, it would seem flat and long and you would be old with the thought.
Mr Dragoss, The pole is too old to thought.
the d.o.m.: From poor monk: It is just this.
Mr Poor Monk, Yes, it's just poor monk.
the d.o.m.: From ONE: Mr.DOM, the SUN is always rising.
Mr ONE, You - not the Sun - are always rising.
the d.o.m.: From Lynn: "what is it?" ...I thought it's a pole?
Ms Lynn, If so, it's a thought, not a pole.
justin: I read this and walked to the toilet and mind came into my head, don't know why or anything else just popped in there, i will go away and think more.
Woodsman: I had something else.
zen-zen: DOM: "Mr Z-Z, It seems that the orange is the matter with you. Right?"
Right. If I didn't take an approach, I could not approach it. Then, I would have nothing to write. This kind of riddles can't be answered anyway, so I chose to write about the falseful approaches. It's a riddle! It's a riddle! Obvious, isn't it? Still, this also is a falseful approach. Nothing can kill the fun of this discussion. :)
stephen: The truth of death. MU
zen-zen: Life <-> Death? Has anything started or ended at all?
poor monk: Life->Life->Life->Life
where will it all begin?
the d.o.m.: If saying that it is something, then it is not it.
Woodsman: Perception is not a thing, mr. smarty.
lehish: >Perception is not a thing<
the d.o.m.: From Woodsman: Perception is not a thing, mr. smarty.
Mr Woodsman, If perception is a thing, then it is not it. If perception is not a thing, then it still is not it.
the d.o.m.: From zen-zen: Nothing can kill the fun of this discussion. :)
Mr Z-Z, So, feel free to be here day-n-night to have fun with it.
Woodsman: Goodness sakes. Perception has no judgements, favorites, or conditions.
Number9: Its alive! It's a l i v e !!!!!
6-10 Chars: from Woodsman: "Perception has no judgements, favorites, or conditions."
from Number9: "It's alive!"
I'm going with 9 on this. Perception equals Existence, and it's constantly evaluating itself. The world is perception, and it's alive. Living, breathing, thinking. No joke.
Woodsman: Unable to see, to speak, eat or cry, a faceless mask. A grasshopper, facedown in a red mudflat.
6-10 Chars: Woodsman, I like you. You are describing my last bender. My last satori is something else.
Woodsman: I was describing my last dream, about a week ago. Then I watched as it came to life, in a number of ways. Gave me few very good reasons to have respect for everything.
shayne: whats perception and all that junk you say? you go with words?
Woodsman: I have no memory. So, what if?!
Woodsman: Oh, I meant what is. !(:? br>
Lionel: ...what is it is it... yet & ...still the object-clinging-mind playing game... not matter how subtle it is...
Woodsman: so, stop
Zorbas: Then no more shadow or pole.
justin: Having thought about this more i feel the first reaction i had is still valid, the pole is mind (universal mind) and the shadows are delusions, but this is opinion and therefore delusion anyway.If he stops looking it is there and still and he may see things as they are. (who r u-another message from my Daughter) She asked me 'is this some kind of Budhist discussion group', i said 'yes' she then asked 'who are you talking to?'i said 'i don't know' she said then i know 'they must probably be budhists' Kids have it worked out.
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