Phap Hien was a Vietnamese Zen master. He lived in the late 5th century and early the 6th century. When he was a young monk at the Phap Van Temple he met Vinitaruci (?-594) who was one of the successors of Seng-tsan, the Third Patriarch...
When a man observed others's activities, actions and results for some time, thinking about what he perceived for a while, then he said: "Yes. There is karma. It's there, in everything in the world." Then he maintained: There is karma. It's real and true. And he held on it tight and long.
Is karma real and true? Yes, of course, it is to him, at least.
And another man observed others's activities, actions and results for some time, thinking about what he perceived for a while, then he said: "No. There is no karma at all. It's not there, not in anything in the world." Then he maintained: There is no karma. It's not real and untrue. And he held on it tight and long.
Is karma real and true? No, of course not, it is not to him, at least.
By chance, the two men met each other at some place. They exchanged their discoveries - their point of views on karma, and they debated, argumented, and did not agree anything at all. They started fighting. First verbally, next physically. As a result, one of them got blue and black and the other got black and blue.
Someone witnessed the scenarios, saw what happened entirely, understood it and said: "They actually made up their karma. The same with existence and non-existence, soul and no soul, God and no God, etc..."
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