When Yang-shan Hui-chi (807-883), as a young monk, paid a visit to the Ch'an master Hsing-k'ung, there was a monk who asked Hsing-k'ung:
-What is the meaning of the Patriarch's coming from the West?
here is the mathematical equation that time dont exist.
Shayne: we also invented time mr.chontri.
does it really exist?
" ......... CT: In the view of existence, even nothingness exists. In the view of non-existence, the whole universe does not exist. Existence or non- existence This is like a reflection of the moon in water. The same is the equation or time invented. A whole man does not cling to any of them."
Shayne: well i understand this. but it doesnt apply to the aspect of time. it is either an awakening to the fact we have just now or we dont. the past is dead. the future has yet to be determined. this is empowering. very few grasp the concept of no time. being earth bound misfits we labor on and on. slaves to time. adam and eve didnt have no time. neither do the gorillas in the forest. time DONT exist.
CT: "time DONT exist" [you said] = non-existence of time.
If a man clings to the concept of time, he is a slave to it. If he clings to the concept of no-time, he is also a slave to it. And he can be called a man of one-sided views.
A concept is just a general notion, or an idea of something formed by mentally combining all its characteristics or particulars. A concept is not the thing itself.
Why do you wants to grasp concept instead of thing itself?
If one wants to see the truth, he must drop all of the concepts he gets on his mind. Without any concepts, he just looks directly at things, sees things as they are. In seeing like this, there is neither time nor no-time at all.
Shayne: thats what im getting at. im not seeing time. just now.
CT: You're not seeing it doesn't mean it is not where it is.
............... What CT knows is when he looked directly at things with full attention, he saw things as they were, no separations among himself and things and beings. This means that the attention was like a flame which burned all the clouds of thoughts, concepts, ideas, images, theories, philosophies, doctrines, teachings, old feelings...left no ashes. Everything was in its place as ever. Nothing became anything. It's just clear and fresh.
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