Chang-ch'o, an educated man, once asked the Chinese Ch'an master Chih-t'sang:
-Is there paradise or hell?
-That is not correct. When I was studying under the
CT: Mr. Shayne, CT already sees you're interested in the astral travel. What are you expecting from the astral travel?"
Shayne: the ability to do so at will. further enlightenment. i mainly find it interesting. i was a atheist if not agnostic before this and questioned the idea of the soul,,,afterlife,,,reincarnation ect. but i was there and my own mother didnt see me or respond to me when i had my out of body experience. perhaps when i come to grips with the fact it really did happen i can relax about it.
CT: What you've mentioned here is one of the six super-powers of the mind when one who practices zazen might attain: -Power to see what one wills to see, anywhere; -Power to arrive anywhere immediately at will; -Power to hear and understand all languages; -Power to read thoughts; -Knowlege of former lives (of one's own and/or others); -The deliverance of mind from passions. The last one is best honored, meanwhile, the first five are fine and just by-products. They might be good or bad, that depends on the mind is freed from passions or not. Several Ch'an masters attained the first five but they rarely used them, except when necessary.
CT neither has nor wants any of them.
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