DIAMOND SUTRA - Chapter 17. Form is No-form

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Shih-tou Hsi-chien (700-790) was a very well known Chinese Ch'an master.
As a young monk, he was one of the disciples of the Sixth Patriarch Hui-neng.
After Hui-neng passed away, Shih-tou continued his pilgrimage...
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DIAMOND SUTRA - Chapter 17. Form is No-form

Tat kim manyase Subhute rupa-kaya-parinispattya Tathagato drastavyah? Subhutir aha: No hidam Bhagavan, na rupa-kaya-parinispattya Tathagato drastavyah. Tat kasya hetoh? Rupa-kaya-parinispatti rupakaya-parinispattir iti Bhagavan a-parinispattir esa Tathagatena bhasita. Tenocyate rupakaya-parinispattir iti. Bhagavan aha: Tat kim manyase Subhute, laksana-sampada Tathagato drastavyah? Subhutir aha: No hidam Bhagavan, na laksana-sampada Tathagato drastavyah. Tat kasya hetoh? Yaisa Bhagavaml laksana-sampat Tathagatena bhasita, a-laksana-sampad esa Tathagatena bhasita. Tenocyate laksana-sampad iti.
What do you think, Subhuti, is the Tathagata to be seen by means of the accomplishment of his form-body? Subhuti replied: No indeed, O Lord, the Tathagata is not to be seen by means of the accomplishment of his form-body. And why? 'Accomplishment of his form-body, accomplishment of his form-body', this, O Lord, has been taught by the Tathagata as no-accomplishment. Therefore is it called 'accomplishment of his form-body'. The Lord asked: What do you think, Subhuti, is the Tathagata to be seen through his possession of marks? Subhuti replied: No indeed, O Lord. And why? This possession of marks, O Lord, which has been taught by the Tathagata, as a no-possession of no-marks this has been taught by the Tathagata. Therefore is it called 'possession of marks'.

Bhagavan aha: Tat kim manyase Subhute, api nu Tathagatasyaivam bhavati: Maya dharmo desita iti? Subhutir aha: No hidam Bhagavan, na Tathagatasyaivam bhavati: Maya dharmo desita iti. Bhagavan aha: Yah Subhute evam vadet: Tathagatena dharmo desita iti, sa vitatham vadet, abhyacaksita mam sa Subhute 'satodgrhitena. Tat kasya hetoh? Dharma-desana dharma-desaneti Subhute, na-asti sa kascid dharmo yo dharma-desana namopalabhyate.
The Lord asked: What do you think, Subhuti, does it occur to the Tathagata, 'by me has Dharma been demonstrated'? Whosoever, Subhuti, would say, 'the Tathagata has demonstrated Dharma', he would speak falsely, he would misrepresent me by seizing on what is not there. And why? 'Demonstration of dharma, demonstration of dharma', Subhuti, there is not any dharma which could be got at as a demonstration of dharma.

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